Why is the bike so heavy?

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  1. GatorGreg

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    Trying to figure out why our bike is so heavy compared to a CBR1000RR. I know it's not fair to compare a SuperSport to a sports-tourer, but I can't help but notice our bike is 88 pounds heavier. The '15 1000RR (no abs) weighs 440.9, I'll call it 441 pounds, and the '15 base Interceptor (no abs, center stand, etc) weighs 529 pounds. These are wet weights and the Interceptor has a bit bigger fuel tank (5.2 v. 4.6 gallons) so maybe roughly 8 of the 88 pound difference can be attributed to the bigger/heavier tank and fuel load it holds, but where is the rest of the weight coming from? Does the extra wheelbase of the Interceptor (57.4" v. 55.5") mean there's just more bike and thus it will weigh a chunk more or is the 1000RR just made of ultralightweight materials compared to the Interceptor?

    I'm not really complaining because the only time I notice the weight is when I'm maneuvering my Interceptor around in my garage, but I'm still curious why she's so "thick" lol
     
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    Single sided swing arm, V4, & more robust subframe.
     
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    My guess is the big difference is in engine weight.
     
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    Engine weight, frame, dual radiators, sub frame, gas tank, and exhaust for a start. I got my CBR 1000rr to 420 wet.
     
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    -Forgot about the sssa - how much extra weight would you estimate is attibutable to that?

    -Are you saying the V4 is an inherently heavier design than an inline 4, all else being equal? Or is our V4 just not made to be all that lightweight? Is the V4 engine in the uber-expensive RC213V-S of comparable weight to our Interceptor's V4 or is it significantly lighter even though it's more cc's than our Interceptor's V4? I know the bike is over a hundred pounds lighter overall but I'm wondering how the engine weights compare.

    Speaking of the 1000RR, I'm seeing what look like legit spy shot articles about the 2017 CBR1000RR popping up recently:

    http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactu...y&utm_source=relatedscout&utm_content=title-3
     
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    The V4's two cylinder heads, valve covers, 4 cams, multiple cam chains & related hardware will add up to more weight than an inline 4's single head, valve cover & two cams, single cam chain etc. Not to mention the V-tec hardware not present on the 1000R's valve train.
     
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    Center stand weighs a few pounds too.
     
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    When Aprillia came out with the RSV 4 I was surprised that it weighed so much on such a light weight bike. Then as mentioned by you it made sense. But I still want a V4 super bike.
     
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    I know sitting side-by-side that my VFR is physically larger than my buddies CBR 929 as well.

    They are completely different beasts. Like others have said though, the biggest differences are the single-sided swingarm, center stand, the dual radiators and the V4 engine configuration. And on the 6th gen you also talking about dual exhaust vs. single.
     
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    Let's pray for a revival of the RVF
     
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    Well if Aprilia can get the Tuono which is an 1100 to roughly 470lbs wet, Aprilia has it at 408 dry. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to reach that number. I know when there's next to no fuel, -35 lbs. in the tank, it's even more fun. Yea the CBR just is lighter, yet when i look it over it shouldn't be all that much, yet, it is. Guess it's a case of a pound here, a pound there, hard to gather the sssa verses traditional swing arms is that much when you look at these new arms. still ???
     
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    Damn it. Forgive me, I'm new. :crushed:
     
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    Gatorgreg, I would think that a single swing arm would lower the weight slightly and I mean 2-3pounds. I agree that this bike was not designed to lose the classic ( 7lbs lost=1 hp) like the sudo super sport replicas. Costing mucho of dollars to do so. Also they are taking in the sales aspect of unit to unit sales. We ride a bike that has a low sales compared to your comparison bikes! Hench the reason I bought my 2014 and others for $8000 on the "F" model or less and not $12,999! Overly engineered bikes like ours and BMW’s always are heavier. I do not know why, but great engines weigh more than others and killer. I know that the 2014-2015 lost 30lbs over previous generations, which we would hope that would transfer to HP, and top end. Not the case, Honda actually made these bikes even with less weight to have less top end from previous generations. If I read the press right. My take and maybe Honda's was being more fuel efficient? All I know is that I am new to the V4 world and I love the bike. My last bike that I sold 3yrs ago was a 2003 Suzuki Sv1000s, V-twin grunt and weight was 417 dry and had 213 Hp. Loved it, miss it, but this bike is so much more even with the weight (well, arguably)! I now have owned 2 inline 4’s, a V-twin and now a V4 all in the sport-touring or sport category, and I think that with age this is the best of them all! (Since I can only own 1 at a time) unlike other lucky bastards with their garages. ;-)
     
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    There is much documentation on the interwebz about the sssa being heavier than a traditional style. It has to be significantly more robust to prevent twisting. The racers don't like the added weight and you don't have the sssa in racing.
     
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    As mentioned before, the subframe. There's probably 20lbs of difference.
    The chassis in general has less R&D put into making it lighter, and the payload I'd venture to say is higher so the entire chassis must be beefed up. But to keep costs down, lower quality metallurgical components are used with less overall engineering beyond strength to do the job, not win world championships.

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    Wow, I want one!!! :black_eyed:
     
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