Ticket!

Well that is the case in Oregon.... somehow it doesn't seem right to keep evidence hidden from you

I honestly don't see why that should piss anyone off though. If they are just doing their job then why should showing a piece of paper piss them off? Especially if it just proves that what the officer is stating is correct. Asking politely should not be taken in any way, shape, or form as bad thing.

 

I think the point is you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. :llama: He was cut a break, don't push it. Take a plea bargain if they'll offer it...

 

Pliskin, when I lived in Northern VA we use to have a proscuteing attorney/represenitive of the court, out in front of the court room. This is before court is in session. You bring the ticket they ask you how do you plea, or they'll say,this is the charge if you plead guilty to the lesser offense then this is the fine and what you have to do. Then you dont have to physically see the judge. You just have to do whatever you agree to with the slimebag...I mean attorney. Good luck.

 

My point is that shouldn't be pushing it, it isn't a personal attack.

 

Shorty,

Not everywhere are the police "required" to show you what the laser/radar reading is. In fact, here the radar/laser unit may be operated by one person and the traffic being hailed by another several hundred yeards away. Similar circumstances when aircraft are being used for speed monitoring. In fact here, the police don't even "have" to tell you how fast you were going at roadside. Though for the life of me I don't know why they would not. The evidence is not the radar, or laser or any piece of paper. The evidence is what the officer says in court unless, he is producing some piece of paper. Radar stopped printing out speeds on a graph long before you were even born I suspect. I know that technology was long gone before I became a peace officer in 1978.

I never told anyone how fast they were going unless they asked. My reason? I didn't want to get into an arguement at roadside which very often happened. Little if anything gets settled at roadside. If they were to ask, I told them. If they were to ask to see the radar/laser reading, I showed them, if I retained the reading, which often I did not. ie: I was trying to take a reading on another vehilce following hot on the tails of the first. Not uncommon at all for someone in Traffic Enforcement.

As stated before, the officer here opened the door for a possible reprieve. If Pliskin decided to follow up on this, I would be very surprised if this officer would think anything of it. Other than to realize that Pliskin was actually listening to what the officer was saying at roadside. One more link in the bridgebuilding between these two.

I have made two fairly good friendships over a traffic stop. They are not all bad. Who knows. This just may be one of those cases if Pliskin lives in a smaller community.

And BTW. I agree with you that the officer should not get pissed off for being asked to see or hear how fast the offender was going. If the officer does, then maybe he should be looking for another line of work that would prevent him from getting worked up so easily.

 

Sorry if I was misleading, but I know they don't have to show readings roadside and it may not be possible (like when aircraft are used as you noted). Any certification/reproducible evidence though is available through discovery of evidence.

For whatever reason the officer decided to do him a favor, he shouldn't take it as an insult for Pliskin to follow through on his side. LEO's have to follow through on their end so it shouldn't be a problem when anyone else tries to do the same.

 

Now. As you posted on another thread. Can I join you up in the woods? Actually looking at that hardware leaning on your car, you can come to the UFRR and become my Minister of Defence

 

Minister of Defense huh? I prefer to be supreme ruling dictator. :tongue:

 

Nice throne your highness...... Just popped in to say hello while I'm taking a break from the walleye run, yep, it's on!! You sure you want Shorty in the UFFR with a semi auto assault rifle when she's preggers, you know , raging hormones and all that, might be alot of lead poisoning going on..LOL
No offense Shorty , just chinnin' ya, no really, I swear , put down the AK, please , for the love of God!!!!!!!!:gun3::gun3::kaboom:

 

Where exactly in NJ did this all go down?

KC-10 FE out...
lane: :usa2:

 

None taken 300.... Really you guys shouldn't be that afraid of me right now - I haven't shot anything since I found out I was knocked up. I am sure my aim wouldn't be too far off though :tongue:

 

Was that anything or anyone?

 

Havin a little trouble following the "logic" here.. Points do not exist if you are cut loose. You are not guilty. Also there would be no fine.

Blowing one's cool in court does not particularly mean going postal. Some times it can mean not talking when listening is the more important thing. There are legal arguments in court. The other kind can get you into deep doodoo real quick. A pissed off judge is not as Martha Stewart says, a good thing.

If the officer does not show, the judge is not going to ask you questions of any kind. He has no case. The state has no case. You are bye-bye. The judge is not a cop nor is the cop a judge. Sometimes judges are not lawyers, sometimes lawyers are judges pro-tempore. Sometime they are cool people and sometimes not. Get there early and scope the guy out. See if you can find out if the cop is working his shift at the same time you are due in court.

All this stuff is like a chess game.

Good idea to show up in court dressed right. It really doesn't mean that much but dressing scruffy disses the "court." Not a good thing.


The judge or the prosecutor may or may not have your driving record. No tix is a good thing.

Your standing in the community will not likely come up and tossing that fat on the fire is not a good thing. Lots of dudes in white collars do some really bad things.

Gotta laugh a bit here. At least you knew you did the crime and are willing to do the time. These other guys who come on like every cop in the universe is personally after them are the one's that are funny.

 

OK........time to expound what is obvious to some of us, but apparently not to others.......

Why would you want to waste your time and the Officers time when you know they are correct? If he says the radar said you were doing 70, and your speedo said you were doing 70, then whats the point, unless you have some sick desire for a traffic ticket? The cop could tell how fast you were going to a good degree of accuracy just by observation. Thats what they do for a living, you know. Cops, or anyone else for that matter, tend to not like being fed a line of B.S. Judges most definitely don't. Judges tend to take the Officers word over your word. None of this is in your best interest if you want to avoid the ticket in the first place and/or if you have to go to court.

If the cop IS wrong, and that happens, don't argue with them. Be polite, but not too polite. Tell them you're sorry about all this and wish them a good day, but don't talk too much. Don't admit guilt, but don't argue either. Give them no clue whatsoever that you intend to show up in court and ask them for radar logs, etc, etc. Since you were so nice and cooperative they either won't show up for the court date, or if they do they won't remember a thing about your traffic stop since it was so uneventful. Both of those scenarios are greatly in your favor. Be polite in court, too, to both the judge and the officer.

If you get caught having a little fun, just own up to it and don't cop an attitude. Most times you'll get a break. I have, numerous times. And if you're trying to avoid the points on your driving record because you already have too many, then maybe you should be questioning our own judgement and common sense, or lack thereof.

Regards,
H.C.D.

 

Guilty as Heck!

Deal with it.. Sorry...don't mean to sound harsh...

Speed on the Freeway.. but in lower posted speed limits... the lower posted speed limit is there for a darn good reason.

What if there was a car pulling out?

What if a dog running out?

You could have ruined your life or the life of another?

Take it like a man.. You were being wreckless...

Again.. sorry.. don't mean to offend.. but I call it the way I see it and frankly all the fellow VFR riders that defend you makes me want to puke.

You did right by not trying to out run him...that would have made matters worse. Instant Felony... put that on your next job application.

 

As a public servant a LEO should be able to answer a simple question without their feathers getting ruffled. That's all I've been saying. Even Randy said he would show them if asked, didn't seem to bother him too much. Some people may have an adverse reaction to whats shown to them and if they act out of line then IMO the officer has every right to get upset.

Seems simple and reasonable to me!

 

People wouldn't ask to see the radar for themselves if they weren't so used to cops embellishing the reading to write a higher ticket if they feel like it. The cops also know that the court will always take their side over a civilian unless you can provide some proof that the reading was false, or the cop mistook you for a different vehicle (happened to a co-worker) Anyway, you shouldn't have been speeding and going to court will basically piss away an entire day to save a few bucks. I don't know how it is in New Jersey but here in Oregon they have the police write tickets so all the court dates for a particular officer are the same day so they always show. Sounds like the fine is pretty small and I don't know how much points will effect your insurance but I doubt a trip to court will do you too much good- who knows it can't hurt I suppose, unless you pee on the bayliff, knock over the tables and scream at the judge the whole system is out of order and they can all go F themselves- that would be worse...

 

Now to me "corrupt" doesn't mean "being on the take"
In fact your "Just 'cause" is quite enough. It shouldn't be who you know, you know: I mean, family?

To me corrupt means taking power and misusing it, which is what every single person who wants power does.

Consult Douglas Adams for further reference on the subject.

 

You started off sane there but "you shouldn't have been speeding"???
Give your bike back to whomever sold it to you, you are not using it properly.
Seriously, don't ride beyond the level of my abilities, it makes my [kitty] hurt.

And a few bucks != a speeding ticket +insurance, so if it can be fought go for it, it's not a whole day in court anyway so you can spend the rest of the day VFRooming.

 

The Guru on the mountaintop sayeth, "Do not apply to law school grasshopper for you will surely slide down the mountain and into the valley."

That nausea can be alleviated some with a good shot of Pepto-Bismal.