Saying Goodbye to the VFR

Well that changes things. F800/VFR are definitely middleweight tourers.
My VFR got left in the garage when I did the coast to coast. It could have made the trip just fine normally, but I would have pushed it to the max trying to keep up with the XX on his BMW. Didn't want to do that to my baby.

Give the K1200S a look, it's not nearly the pig the GT is. ZX-14 is an awesome bike with some hard cases.

Hell even a new bus. The blue with gold wheels is my favorite. I'm sure Givi's got a hardmount setup for them already.



Japanese bikes have triple the dealer network as BMW or Triumph for that matter. Believe it or not, Triumph has slightly more US dealers then BMW. But I'd still take the BMW for reliability between the two.

Of course nothing beats the asian bikes.

Note to Honda: BOO for not having anything between the VFR and the ST. Where's that new Blackbird?

 

Yer right. I'm hoping that was more sensational perception then reality.

 

LOL,
I'd LOVE to hear this situation...
Please enlighten us...
How dod you almost "fall off" or dare I say get "bucked off" when vtech kicked in? 150mph with some knee down and you were rolling on?

 

Just one quick reply if we can go back to the PCIII for a minute. You mentioned issues with the VTECH PCIII combo. I also had some acceleration issues with my 'o8 even after a dealer installed power commander with in the box mapping( k&n, two bros m2). This wasn,t the answer I had been looking for, but it helped. Then I spoke to a non dealer dyno specialist about dialing it in even more. His response was that he would'nt even
touch the mapping without the '02 sensor eliminator. This has something to do with the VFRs' ECU and the fact it is closer to that of an automobiles and will fight the PCIII commands. After installing the sensor eliminator we put the bike on the dyno and preceeded with custom mapping using only the power commander and totally bypassing the stock ECU. This was the perfect ( and inexpensive ) solution. The VTECH
now has the quickest and most accurate throttle response of any bike I've ever had the pleasure to ride. The engagement of the VTECH is now flawless, at least with the
addition of a one tooth smaller front spocket. When I say this of the throttle response it is not lightly. All of my previous bikes have been super sports from just about every Japanese manufactorer there is. ( exept Kawi )

Good Day All!!!

 

i have to throw this in just to stir the pot. CARBS. i know they have some trouble sometimes but F.I relies on so much to work right all the time you got to expect growing pains, even yamaha still working out their bugs. i also found it funny today listening to the radio a honda commercial came on and its tag line was " Honda, performance first".
i was like o.k. whatever..:bs:

p.s , don't get me wrong i still love the vfr i just wish honda would keep them moving forward with quality and with what customers want. not one of those "here it is take it or leave it" attitudes i think they kind of have.

 

i definately agree on the ZX-14. just because its fast it does not automatically look good.

 

I agree completely, however what you are dealing with here is the opinions of 4th and 5th gen riders that are used to dealing with carbs and technology from days gone by. FI is far and away superior to carbs, and when tuned correctly, will easily surpass the performance of carbs, not to mention ease of adjustability. The dislike of VTEC stems from fear of understanding. I am currently working on a mod for VTEC, and if this goes as it looks like it will, anything prior to a 6th gen will be exactly what it is now....old tech.

It's been a long time since we've had a vtec bashing thread, but now that there is a whole new crop of 4th and 5th gen members, it was bound to come up again. The only thing honda has done wrong is to produce a motorcycle that is outside the realm of the mechanical understanding of most of their previous 4th and 5th gen customers. This is all a pretty glaring indictment as to why the US is no longer the technological innovator it once was.....clinging to old ideas.....just ask the big 3 in detroit........

 

I think that says a bunch Norcal... Let me know how your mods are comeing along!!
If you'ld like I'll post some of my dyno numbers along with fuel curves and possable
mapping solutions etc. I wish I could put some 4th and 5th geners on my slow to accelerate death machine so that I might change some minds. I guarantee that there will be no VTECH complaints after a few miles. In fact I would half expect to start hearing purchase offers!!!

 

I don't think we need this to turn into a bash thread. The Honda owners her love their Hondas. For the most part. If you look, there are planty of members here who just happen to own a VFR at this stage in their biking career. The 'other bike' threads make it more obvious. The thread starter simply said he felt it was time for him to move on...
I own my gen because it was available to me. I own a Honda because of my love for the brand. Not everyone agrees with my ferver.
I think Viffergirl said she was glad he was still gonna ride. Me too. Ride on, brother. Ride on.
Can we bash quietly to ourselves without pissing each other off for a while?

 

I think you can tell from the context of the post that the reason I almost fell off was because I was not EXPECTING 1. the sludgy slowness of the lag and then 2. the big jerking hit of power.

I have my doubts that you are an adult, considering that you contribute nothing here other than to take a comment out of context just so that you can deliver a snide, rude, and totally inappropriate comment. :bootyshake2:

 

Can we bash quietly to ourselves without pissing each other off?

 

Wow....you don't even know that the 5th gens have Fuel Injection??? My 2000 is an 800FI....which you would have checked if you had any real knowledge about the subject.

And your elitist, "if you don't like the VTEC it's just because you're technologically ignorant" BS doesn't fly with me. You know that this is BS, or at least you SHOULD know that this is BS.

:bs:

 

Yes ride on! Maybe the bike was sitting for a while before the test drive. Most equipment runs best when used regularly. If it sits for several months the gas may be stale, etc.

Fortunately for me I read about the VTEC engagement before I drove mine, so as soon as the tach was reaching the engagement point I was ready for the slight kick. So far I like the VTEC, especially when it starts winding out and when you shift it is still in VTEC range. But I only have about 1800 miles riding experience so I think it will be a long time before I outgrow the viffer.

 

Clearly, based on the occasional uber-VTEC thread here, the VTEC VFRs must have extremely variable performance from unit to unit. Like so many other VTEC VFR owners, I find the performance of the engine to be very good, if not downright exciting. She has excellent throttle response and consistent pull below the VTEC engagement point (as designed), then when VTEC engages, the power curve and sound effects ramp up quickly. It instantly puts a smile on my face. Even if I was a harley guy, I don't think I'd ever be able to justify calling the engine in my VFR squishy--far from it. For just a 781cc engine pushing such a heavy bike, the performance is really quite good.

Regarding the linked brakes--many riders track their VFRs and some aren't even aware they are linked. Granted, the examples I'm thinking of are all 6th generation models, which are less "linked" than the previous generation. I can't imagine it's too much of a difference, but who knows.

Perhaps the VFR is simply not meant for every rider... however in the hands of the right rider, the VFR is a fantastic sportbike.

 

Do tell us more, NCB...!

 

And there you have it, thanks Mello, carry on. like in reverse, Let me think here, ha low tech? I think maybe a few 6th gen owners need to ride a 4th gen before they get all giddy about how hi tech their VFR is. I'm not bashing the 6th but before one opens their mouth before taking a good example of a 4th for a ride you best be quite. peace. eace: