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I don't know what they call that by you, but around here we call that a conspiracy theory. I'm afraid I'm not a subscriber.

I've not tried to take mine to a dealer for a reflash, because I know it would be fruitless. There's no reflash offered here in the states (or Australia to my knowledge), therefore they'd know nothing about it and would look at me like I'd lost my mind. I live in what Toyota refers to as a "Cold Climate State", that being a region of the country where we get snow and ice, and unfortunately road salt to combat the snow and ice. As such, we get recalls that other parts of the country don't get. When I've talked to other technicians from warm climate states about recalls I'm working on, they have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. So the fact that Australian Honda dealers never heard of reflashing an ECU hardly stands as "proof" that the ability to do so doesn't exist. I think you're just otstir: for the sake of otstir: Frankly, at this point I wish the others here would just stop fanning the flames so this thread can in fact just die. I have no doubts that Honda's ECUs can be reflashed as claimed by the UK members here. I suspect that if I was a Honda motorcycle technician in London and I chimed in here to say I'd reflashed ECUs on customer bikes many times, you'd still challenge me for visible proof that the software was in fact being modified. You must be very bored. I think I'm done here and pray the others are too.

 

Since my mach 1 91 has none of this fancy shit plugged in, IMO "Rustybit may be very near to being told to fuck off..

 

So myself and all the other owners of pre 2012 VFR1200's in the UK who were contacted by our respective dealers to bring our bikes back in to get an updated map loaded onto our bikes were being ripped-off by Honda UK?

Seems a little unlikely to me.

Pete

 

I'm not having them adjust for my mods. I'll take poor assumptions for a thousand Alex.

 

Still funny, even after I talked to two Honda shops that say they could have the ecu reflashed on my 2010. But, they wouldn't because it would be a violation of Federal EPA standards and would cost them about 2 grand per alteration if the vehicles in question could not meet emission standards....so, couldn't or wouldn't? It all amounts to the same thing. Though I may be taking my Honda back and shoving it up the dealers ass soon anyway. :chaingun:

 

Care to name those dealers so that other Ogeronys can save a trip and hearing BS? Maybe try a dealer outside the counties that require testing on cages.

 

Rustybit, I do understand. Developing exhausts in the past I too have that "show me the dyno" attitude when it comes to claims. Very often the dyno shows something completely different than claimed.
However, I was one of the first to get the map update and without a proper dyno (and the lack of interest from my part after the update) I had to rely on my arse dyno. And that showed a vast improvement on low revs.

Now if even Mark Knopfler can't persuade Honda to release their codes just for him, I doubt if they'd release them for anyone else. It's just their philosophy. I'm not saying I agree with them.
Knopfler spent 300k pounds Sterling IIRC to change the electronics on that particular Honda because of Honda's policy.

On a more personal note: your mods don't list a Z-Bomb. Very cheap and removes the restrictions in 1st and 2nd gear. Best money ever spent on this bike.

 

Manufacturers are always tight lipped with their intellectual property, as well as not wanting to air out their dirty laundry publicly. But what's Mark Knopfler got to do with it?? I assume you mean the Dire Straits front man?

 

Honda Inc., is not about to release proprietary information on any of their products. Yes, Mark Knophler got nailed by a cager on a Honda and he has the bucks in case Honda Inc., decides to cut loose with those codes. Maybe try back in 2030 or so when the patent expires.

One the big sweats of yesteryear was any new toy the LEO's had to electronically nail us for a couple of miles (lol) over the limit. Reams of electronic paper crying the blues about how the cops were taking advantage yadda-yadda-whine.. Not a darn word about some uber-geek who probably at that very moment was coming up with a new "detector" or jammer.

Seems like there just might be one of those geeks out there who has the map who doesn't work at a Honda shop where what we are told may or may not be the real deal.

 

Dave, sorry had to laugh. Not at the poster above, I learned long ago to ignore him.

I thought this was a well-known fact but in case it isn't, here's what I remember: a UK company built special bikes back in the days of the first FI Fireplaces, the 900's IIRC. Mark Knopfler, well-known Dire Straits front man at the time, had these guys build his track bikes. Only, when they asked Honda for the codes, they got nothing. Not even when Knopfler contacted Honda directly. That's the story. It was in a mag long ago and I have no way to verify it.

As to being tight-lipped, I just got an e-mail from an American buddy in PA about blistering paint on Toyotas alloy wheels. Seems very wide-spread but I checked my wife's car and not a mark on those 17" wheels apart from her hitting curbs with the fronts.
What did raise my blood pressure was that Prius badge on the carpet of the driver. It came loose after a week and the dealer tried to fix it with contact glue. Later they tried it with something else but to no avail.
Now that I'm on vacation, I had time to look into it and believe you me, if it budges now it's not repairable. It's plastic and the pins broke off long ago.

Toyota flips the bird at both the wheels and the silly badge apparently. I'm not bothered, it's not my car. But for 32k euro, you'd expect more service. No offense intended and no derail either...

 

Eternal thanks for the info on the Toyota. Everyone in Belgium will be sending you chocolate when the info goes viral.

Sounds like you just may be employed by one of those darned secretive Honda Dealers, who when confronted with questions they cannot answer make up shit and hope it flies. Since you seem to be a self appointed expert on some of this stuff, could you address the saga of the POS regulator/rectifiers that have cost VFR owners thousands of pesos until some geek figured out how to make them so they didn't crap out.

This messenger will not self destroy in five seconds.

.Poop on Mark Knophler can be found on WIKI. He got whacked on the street and broke his scapula.

BB plays Creole.

 

You might try reading a post first before you start assuming stuff willy-nilly.
The Toyota info came from the USA. That's the country after the Civil War. Just in case you missed that as well.

As to a supposed POS rectifier, I know nothing of it as I rode Aprilias and a Triumph before. We had a problem with charging on various Aprilias and two 'geeks' - a Norwegian and a Scotsman - figured out what caused it so we could all benefit. Hundreds of people did the mod and no rectifier died. When someone helpful comes along you call them geeks. We just praised them for it. Silly us.

Only one person made money out of the whole thing by selling Honda rectifiers. I never bought one as the rectifier wasn't the weak point, the wiring was. But some people felt better if they gave their money to this countrymen of yours. Good for them and especially for him.

I didn't know about the VFR rectifier. Unlike you, I couldn't care less about any VFR before the 1200. To each their own etc.
Oops, forgot that's not how you think.

I just post in the forum dedicated to what I ride, not what I want to ride. I try to be helpful and if the moderators allow people like you to ruin it for everybody, I might just as well leave. Life's too short.

My next bike won't be a Honda anyway. If I'm going to have problems with a bike, I'd rather seek advice from people who actually ride one and not from those who don't and find it impossible to hide their xenophobia in every post they derail a thread with.
If you fail to understand that as well, let me rephrase it in your own way of expressing yourself: WTF are you doing here?

Lastly, I hope you get your banjo back soon. Guess it's too late to get a personality. Over 5000 posts and not a single friend? Maybe you should try Facebook.

No use replying. You're on my ignore list now.
I suggest you put every non-American on yours.

 

Spent a few years as a tech working in a Lexus dealership. YES the blistering paint is a widespread problem with Toyota vehicles. Seemed to be more of a problem with the painted aluminum wheels. If your buddies car is still under basic warranty the dealer should fix the problem. Typically a wheel repair service would refinish the wheels & this was covered under warranty.

 

Thanks for the confirmation, if only to satisfy some unbelievers.

My buddy drives a Subaru, it's his brother's Toyota that has the problem. The dealers won't fix it under warranty. The Lexus dealers do. According to his info and I've never had any reason to doubt him.

Always liked the Lexus stuff. But according to my buddy, the dealers in the US are a bit 'snooty'. His words, not mine.
Though our local Toyota dealer had a similar opinion...

 

Dave, Link. Second post.


And video: give it a few minutes although in the background I think I spot a Ducati 750 Desmo from the seventies.


[video=youtube;B4WuXfpBv2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4WuXfpBv2U[/video]

 

As much as we would like to think that Mark Knophler has some pull with Honda Inc. Its evident he doesn't. Great guy, great player, great composer and a serious gearhead but that ain't squat when dealing with a corporated structure like Honda Inc.

Notice that when Mark got broadsided and busted up ten years back, he was riding an 800cc touring bike. Tons of those out there... Right!!! Notice too that on site like WIKI the bike data has not been truncated or dropped but merely lined out.. Probably one of those Belgiun waffledudes at the heart of that one.

How do I know this? Been there done that and have a video to prove it.

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