I know what I want, but I do not know what it is called.

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  1. matt1986vf500f

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    Yes sir you are right rc
     


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    oh im not saying that you couldnt buy a 700 in 86, in fact the majority of 86's were 700's. all im saying is that you couldnt get an 87 model 750 in the states (I dont know 100% if they even made 750's in 87 at all, i just know that Honda didnt send any to the US).
     


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    This is really getting good. I amtaking lots of notes and have boiled down some great info. So let me do the skinny here and you guys tell me if I have it right. I could buy a VFR 700/750 86 to 97 and get the following:

    1) gear driven cams
    2) shim under bucket valve adjustment
    3) a 180 degree crank
    4) an extra quart of oil
    5) oil cooled
    6) 6 speed
    7) Alum frame
    8) 40 lbs lighter
    9) but no center stand

    Okay RC your avatar has a rear wheel stand does the bike come with the little bosses for the stand to lift the bike with? How can you do that by yourself? If the bike is resting on the side stand can you catch just one boss on the left and just push down.

    I have 4 great pdf for you guys. But they are too big to attach. How can I send them to you. They are all in color and they are original articles back in 86 from cycle magazines. I got them today from this forum under a folder called specifications. You guys have saved me weeks of research I really thank you all. I hope others join in and add to the info.
     


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    The bike in the avatar is not a stock VFR750. It's an AMA championship winning superbike from that era and that's not the stock swingarm. The bikes back then weren't yet equipped with the little bosses for swingarm stands. I use one of the old style rear wheel stands that simply supports the arm from the bottom. You can still get them from Cycle Gear. Using a rear stand is relativley easy with a little practice. Putting the bike in gear enables you to stabilize the bike while positioning the stand under the swingarm. Of course if you wanted to you can have a couple of threaded aluminum bosses welded to any swingarm you want. FYI Pit Bull actually sells them. I probably have most of the articles you speak of.
     


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    PDF's (portable document files) can be saved in three levels of quality.
    Open your document in Photoshop and select FILE >Save for web and select PDF.
    The quality for the web 72DPI will significantly lower the file size.
    But save a COPY and rename it so you can keep the print quality image for printing.

    BTW the aluminum frames are junk. Just lowers shipping costs.
    Get a tubular steel frame like the Ducati.
     


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    i cant speak for the 3rd and 4th gen bikes, but a centerstand WAS an option for the 2nd gen bikes. they all have the bosses for the centerstand on the bottom of the bikes, but be forewarned, theyre a bit difficult to find these days. sometimes you can get lucky and find a parts bike that has one, or score one on ebay, but its a roll of the dice either way. I got lucky and found one a few yrs ago, and i use it FAR more than my side stand. as for the 90-97's, ill let somebody else answer that one as i dont know 100% for sure.
     


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    ok WOW!!! that last link you posted finally worked, and those 4 pdf's are WELL worth the wait! what a great read in all of them. dude, thanks for finding and sharing those. we 2nd gen enthusiasts are becoming a rare breed anymore, but if you can say one thing about us, we love to see these 2nd gen bikes bragged on. they really were revolutionary bikes for their time, and i give props to anybody who carries on their legacy.
     


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    I will do a parts check on Service Honda and see what kind of p/n I come up with. All my V4's have center stands and I reall like them. I replaced the center stand on my 83 Ceptor and found out just how hard it is to pull the spring back to hook it on the stand. I actually used a come along and some luck.
     


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    Well good Chris. I am really glad I did not give up on sharing them. I am going to print them out in color at work on Monday. I love having the old write ups on my bkes even the one that I did not get yet.
     


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    You would need the 94 F2 triple clamps to go with the forks. I believe the 94 cbr F2 forks were cartridge as all previous years were dampening rod same as the vfr's. Both of the forks perform the same function rebound and compression dampening. Honda's Trac Anti dive handled the compression duties on the Vf's and VFR's.
     
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    next time try hooking the spring at both ends prior to attaching the centerstand. I used to do this all the time.
     


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    Thanks RC, That bike of yours is a real beauty, what is something like that worth if you don't mind me asking. So the forks from a 94 CBR and the triple tree from a 94 F2 would fit my 83 Interceptor? What about the clip ons and the lower fork clamp?Go to post #16 it is a real trip

    3rd or 4th Gen Question - VFR Discussion
     


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    The triple tree includes the top and bottom clamps. You're going to ruin a very nice examle of an 83 Interceptor (the 1st yr) I might add. Most F2 front ends have found there way onto 86-87 VFR's not 83's. Leave that one alone!
     


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    What pic or bike are you referring to?
     


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    Many engines have cam chain tensioners (CCT's as you call them) cars and motorcycles.
    You are too worried about it.
    Many racing engines have cam chains with cam chain tensioners.
     


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    I agree with you. Having to replace a cam chain tensioner is not the end of the world. just about every bike being mass produced these days has one.
     


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    You know something that has made me feel alot better. I really do like my 83, and if I put a set of gold valve race tech emulators and some 1.25 kg/mm rate linear springs with a new set of tensioners I might have a really nice bike.

    I would like to ask two questions about the tensioners. I read somewhere on this site that you should remove all four cams at a time then replace the tensioners. The reason being was something about the timing can only be down by setting up all four at once. Or, maybe it can be done two at a time but you can mess up very easily. Can anyone explain why this procedure is the best. Also, should you replace the chains as well? I think that DID makes them with a master link.

    Thanks for all your help
     
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    emulators, some fresh fork oil (8 or 10w) and a set of Progressive Suspension fork springs would be a huge improvement. I believe a 1.25 kg spring would way way stiff. How much do you weigh and how hard do you ride? You'd better do some research before you put a set of springs in there like that. It'll ride like a truck. The real aggressive street/ track day rider can usually improve handling with a .85kg - .95kg set of springs. Progressive suspension springs are all you'll need IMO.
     


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    Well RC I put a pair of progressive springs in my 84 Honda Magna and replaced all the bushings, and seals it made alot of difference. Have you ever heard of Jamie Daugherty Motor Sports. He says that linear springs are the way to go and he is the one that told me 1.2kg/mm with a 16mm pre-load is what I need in the Ceptor.
    I weigh 210 w/o gear. I agree with you on the .85kg/mm because that is what was coming up on race tech's site. Do you think the emulators would be a waste of money?
     


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