Got pulled over?

I heard all those cops in Quebec were gay too.

 

Ya sure, just tell the Judge that you were "warming your tires" just like you've seen racers do at race tracks...

 

are you riding through landfills?

 

Many municipalities have traffic courts. Sometimes the judges or magistrates are pro-tempore. Sometimes the LEO does not show and you walk. Some municipalities have magistrate courts that are conducted by sitting judges in an informal setting. All the usual stuff here. Do not call the LEO or the Judge an asshole or throw things or hold your breath and stamp your feet. All this is great entertainment but not a great idea.

Also, tire warming in a school zone is not a good idea either.

Then again, this whole thread might have been started by somebody who was trying to sell some tire warmers.

 

Maybe he just ran over a cat.

Feral cat problems in NY, Hawaii and on Catalina Island.

 

Yes, the fascists can cite you for warming up your tires.

 

it actually works, just dont say like racers do. its called being articulate.

 

I had heard this before, and decided I'd Yahoo it. (That's right - I Yahoo'ed it - not Googled it"). Take it for what its worth.

Weaving
Makes For
Good Collisions
By Dave Swarts

Weaving to warm tires is a fiction that just won't die. All sorts of riders who should know better can be seen weaving wildly on warm-up laps, and we've seen plenty of collisions and near-misses caused by one guy weaving into another guy on a warm-up lap. Yet some riders persist in the belief that weaving actually does something other than create a hazard. So, since we had gathered a test bike, a test rider, all sorts of measuring instruments, some extra tires, and had a track to ourselves for our big tire test (Roadracing World, January, 2000), we decided to test the effects of weaving on motorcycle tire temperatures.

We conducted this experiment using Mark Junge and his 1999 Kawasaki ZX-6R, at Oak Hill Raceway. Michelin tires were used for this test, the front a standard Pilot Race, and a Pilot Race "W" on the rear. First, we measured the cold tires' core temperature in the middle and on both sides of the tread, front and rear. We then sent Junge onto the track to ride slowly in a straight line and then measured the tire temperatures. Then we instructed Junge to weave aggressively from turn eight to turn two and back again (approximately one-half mile), and measured the tire temperatures again to see how much heat was produced in the tires.

Next, we let the Michelins cool off. We then heated the tires on warmers for 45 minutes per Michelin's recommendation and took the tire temperatures. Then Junge went out and did the same weaving and temperatures were taken again to see if additional heat was built up or if heat was lost.

Next, Junge was sent on a standard warm-up lap. We then quickly measured the tire temperatures. Then Junge did another 1.8-mile warm-up lap, this time weaving, and we measured the temperatures again to see if weaving built additional heat when compared to a standard warm-up lap, kept the heat in, or lost the heat. Then we did the half-mile of weaving again before taking the tire temperatures yet another time.

To complete our test of tires and temperatures, we sent our rider out on two normal warm-up laps. Once back on the starting grid, we stopped the bike with the tires remaining on the pavement just as you would sit on a grid with the 3-minute board in the air. Then we measured each tire, as quickly as possible, to see how quickly the tires lost the heat built up on the warm-up lap.

The first thing that we discovered while trying to take the temperature of the cold tires was that the sun has a significant effect on a tire's temperature. Our test bike was under a canopy but the front tire was still in direct sunlight on an 88-degree, Texas afternoon. Just from sitting in the sun, the front tire had between 10 to 20 degrees more heat at the tread's core, not the surface.

When Junge rode in a straight line at line at approximately 40 mph for about a half-mile, the shoulder of the tire that was in the shade remained at 85-88 degrees F. The temperature at the center of the tires went up slightly while the shoulder of the tire facing the sun also started picking up heat. Then our rider went on his weaving course and came back. Once again the side of the tire facing away from the sun and the center changed very little. The side of the tire facing the sun continued to gain heat. We attributed this solely to the sun as Junge was careful to weave equally hard on each side of the tires.

Junge went back to his task of learning Oak Hill on his "A-bike" while we took the weaving test bike back under the canopy and applied Tyr Sox tire warmers for 45 minutes. After the warmers, the rear tire had about 129 degrees F across its entire tread while the front held 171 degrees F on the right, 175 degrees F on the left, and 182.4 degrees F in the center. Both warmers were on for the equal amounts of time.

Just as I was organizing a theory into how the tire warmers have equal heating elements but the (120) front tire has less surface than the (180) rear tire, I noticed that the bike had been put back in its original parking spot with the front wheel in the sun. Although I can't rule out my equal tire warmers versus different-sized tires theory, I can't rule out that the strong sunlight increased the effect of the warmers.

As soon as we took the post-warmer temperatures, Junge went out to do the same exact weaving course. The right/away-from-the-sun side of the rear tire lost 12 degrees of heat. The right side of the front lost 45 degrees. The center of the rear lost 5 degrees of heat. The center of the front lost 43 degrees. The left side of the rear tire that was facing the sun stayed steady at 129 degrees while the left front only lost 36 degrees. Once again weaving did not build or hold the temperature. The sun had more effect than weaving.

As soon as these temperatures were taken, Junge was sent off to do a normal hot lap on the twisty, 1.8-mile course. After the hot lap, the heat in the rear remained fairly constant, cooling just a few degrees. The front continued to steadily lose its significant tire warmer heat. However, the left sides of the tires were the warmest parts. We could not attribute this to the sun because throughout our two-day test, tires always recorded higher temperatures on their left sides after doing any laps at speed on the track.

Then, we sent Junge to do an entire lap of weaving. Again, the weaving failed to hold heat anywhere on the tire. Then Junge once again did his straight weaving test, and the tires began cooling rapidly. In fact, during weaving the tires lost heat as rapidly or more rapidly as just standing still.

For our final test, we sent Junge out to do two laps to get some heat in the tires. Then as the bike stood still on the racing surface just as it would on a grid, we measured how quickly the tires lost their heat. I had originally hoped to measure the six spots on the tires every 10-15 seconds. That proved too ambitious. I ended up measuring each spot every 45-60 seconds. Next time, I'll have two pyrometers. This was very interesting, though. While the center and right sides of the tires lost 10-12 degrees over a 4-minute time period, the left side of the rear lost very little heat and the front gained heat from the direct sunlight.

Here are some conclusions. Tire warmers will produce the highest pre-race tire temperatures. During the tire comparison test consisting of 8-10 laps at 100 percent speed, we sometimes did not record temperatures higher then straight off the warmers. So the best way to warm tires is to use tire warmers.

The second-best way to warm tires is to take a hot lap. As powerful as the sun proved to be, a good hot lap produced more heat than time in the strong sun, and it's quicker, too.

The third-best way to warm tires is to leave the tires in strong, direct sunlight. Just don't forget to get both sides.

But weaving, no matter how aggressive your lean angle and your speed or how long the distance covered, does not build any additional heat in a tire!

So now, we will hopefully never see another unfortunate accident from useless weaving on a starting grid or pit lane. Case closed.

 

there is another reason to veer around and that's potholes and one Killed a Harley rider just 2 weeks ago, tell the cop that's why you were weaving and it would be very hard for a ticket to stand up in court-that is legal %100. Road screwed up!

 

Nobody ever said that weaving brings the tires to "tire warmer" temps. how many people get on their bikes like that. Maybe they should try pulling the bike put of the garage, sans warmers, check the temps with a ir temp gun, swerve for a mile or so and then check it. Then the same the next morning without swerving.

 

My driveway is gravel & I like to weave coming out of it to scrub off gravel dust...


...but mostly just because I like weaving~

 

I think rabbit is the most honest one here. So I will jump on that band wagon too. I like to weave. Other than my desires, there is no ligit reason to do so on the street. Dust on your sidewalls? Hey man . Go out with a measuring tape an see really how far you need to go to rub that off. Potholes? I agree with that but I think the cop would have seen those if they were big enough to be a concern. At 30 mph or so, on a pot hole about 8 to 10 inches wide, you have crossed that 8-10 inches before your wheels drop an inch. If that inch bump causes damage to your tires, rims, or any other part of your bike, then some part of that bike needs your attention. I will give you the larger potholes. Winnipeg has tons of them.

 

I weave too but not to warm the tires-I ride on the best part of the road-where ever that may be, but never across the yellow are white lines that is 100% legal. Are cops going to say well go ride on the potholes and bad road surfaces that could get the town and the cops sued. As the husband of the wife that just died riding her brand new Harley is going to do for Millions, the DOT is not inspecting the work contractors are doing-they both could get sued in federal court not state court where the judges are all on the take-Banana Republic is here USA:rip::whoops::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:!

 

I saw that in the news. "Pothole Kills Harleydood".

 

You are quite right. It may be difficult to prove. These two offenses are very much a catch all offense, where they are used, usually for very serious situations where there is no specific offense in BC's Motor Vehicle Act or the CCC. It all depends on how a driver's actions affect others using the roadway.

Driving a vehicle while you are tired is not a specific offense here. Probably nowhere. But if you are so tired that you fall asleep at the wheel and become involved in a collision, multi vehicle or single does not matter, then you would easily be convicted of Drive Without Due Care and Attention {144(1)a) MVA I think. I did not look it up but accept these section numbers if you say so}. You were not focusing the necessary attention on the road because you fell asleep. When you are sleeping, you are not paying attention. Simple enough.

If you were riding down the roadway and say far sake of argument, under the speed limit, and in the fast lane on the highway, and someone was trying to under take you and you kept speeding up to block that passing attempt, then slow down again etc. etc. etc. this is an example of Drive Without Reasonable Care and Consideration {149)1)b) MVA I suspect} to Others Using the Roadway.

So all that needs to be proven in court for 144(1)a) Due Care, is that the driver was not focusing enough attention to his driving. We used to use that section to pinch those fuckers on cell phones who run everyone off the road.

For 144(1)b), we just need to show that your actions or in-actions had a direct detrimental effect on others using the roadway, legally, around you. So if swerving from side to side, say on a really busy road for sake of argument, your swerving, has causing people to bung up, or be forced to drive in any way that, for instance may be adverse to the normal flow of traffic, then police have met the standard needed by the courts to show that you have been a fucking idiot and deserve the 6 points and who know how much of a fine these days.

Now I use the word "you" very generically here. Not insinuating at all you are such a person. Hell, you probably even drink beer. Just hope it is not Blue!

 

:chaingun:

 

What is done in Canada if ya swerve to miss a pothole, run over a cat then fall over?

SOW will tell us what is done in Maine I hope.

 

I could understand a 5" rise at the end of the resurface or a lip that big between the left and right lane being a problem but if you need a steering damper and the the help of your god of choice for the drop then <insert insult here>.

 

It is hoped that SOW can tear himself away from his shemales, cats and forays into citizen journalism for a moment for a discovery that may affect him greatly in future.

The frame sliders on his bike are actually transmitters that cause police speed readers to indicate some 30% higher readings than actual speed.

 

Perhaps Bad Billy is right-the Roads are the same as Mad Max had to deal with-your on your own, potholes, road work anything they can do to trap you in their Hole to pay a troll!ainkiller: