Do less?

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  1. misti

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    I often tell my students that they should DO LESS when riding. What do you think this means, or in what ways do you think riders work too hard and do too much while riding their bikes?
     
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    Riders who put way too much effort into try to touch a knee to the ground, slowing up the group to do the unnecessary. Won't name any names.
     
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    Less looking around and more looking where you're going

    Sometimes going at less of a speed can result in getting to a destination faster

    That sorta thing
     
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    If your students don't know what "it" means and you don't know what "it " means how can anyone know what "it" means to DO LESS? In light of the axiom "less is more" what do you want "it" to mean?

    As far as doing too much whilst riding, a good idea IMO is to not have to carry along all the many farkles that distract from the task at hand. Unless it's my 15" plasma TV for my Oprah re-runs held in place by Velcro straps.

    The drift here is that you teach kids. Tell them to do less and that is what they will do. Little dudes are not into subtle messages and the teaching of same is far different than teaching most adults. Unless it's here where one can find the center of the knowledge of the known universe and no teaching is necessary.
     
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    Basically don't try so hard. Same with my golf, I am always trying to kill it. Best shots have been the more relaxed shots!
     
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    Not holding on the grips tightly, feeling the bike and letting it do its job. Riders often are putting way much input to the bars and fighting the bike.
     
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    ^^ Especially on the track.
     
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    Good point. Touching a knee down should be the bi-product of good riding and good body position, not a specific goal. Most people that try to get a knee down won't have much luck or they go about it in the wrong way. Don't try so hard is the point here :)

    Simple. Yes. Don't try so hard but you would be amazed at how many riders think that they need to muscle the bike around, grip the bars, wiggle around, move from side to side, hang WAY off etc. They simply try too hard and do too much extra "stuff." I love the analogy of golf, if you try to hit the ball hard you get duds but if you relax and focus on technique then you get wicked shots.

    Absolutely, this would probably be the most common way that riders work too hard on the bike, they grip too hard and put too much input into the bars and end up fighting it.

    So, with riders that are working too hard on the bike, gripping too tight, putting too much input into the bars etc, is the simple fix just to tell them to relax? Or do people need to be taught HOW to relax on the bike? What can you do to help you be more relaxed on the bike and not grip so hard?

    :)
     
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    I often still have to remind myself not to grip tight. I tend to do this on everything not just bikes. (I know what you pervs are thinking! lol)
     
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    Now that we have most of the answers to the loaded questions taken care of, when do we get the sales pitch?

    There are two alternatives to the handlebar death grip aka the bull by the horns steering.

    The first one requires some electrical skills and a pre-installation of heated grips. Wire those suckers into the ignition circuit.

    The other method requires a prescription from a Doctor. 400mg of Thorazine will loosen the grip and possibly ones sphincter muscles. This side effect is of no great import. A that high and you won't give a shit anyway.
     
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    ^ :loco: :pound:
     
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    So, what could you do on the bike to help you relax your grip on the bars? What about using your lower body, your legs to grip the tank and get yourself stable so you can relax your grip on the bars? When you are riding is there a specific time that you find yourself tight on the bars? Corner entry? Under braking? When are you most likely to be reminding yourself to loosen up?
     
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    Do less steering and more counter-steering. Knee pushing against tank, weight on footpeg to turn.
     
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    This chica claims to be an instructor or somehow affiliated with Keith Code. Some of y'all have taken one or more of his riding school courses. Do these questions being asked sound like someone who is a Keith Code instructor?
     
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    billy..see her site? http://www.mistihurst.com/ if its her on this forum or not, no clue. And she's a woman so they ask 100 questions non-stop, how do you FEEL about the motorcycle, use your words. eh, huh, what, the games on.
     
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    smooooooooth throttle, hit your apex and quit trying to be Ricky Racer---screw the hangin off at all on the streets-you just look stupid.
    Just saw a rider two weeks ago , threw turns he was weaving back and forth---it was disturbing
     
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    What I gather is that she is trolling for students who seem to be mostly little guys. What we may be seeing is the latest form of guerilla advertising.

    What I would like to see are some of the responses to the posed questions from the harleydood crowd, who swear by the John Deere school of riding. John Deere was a real dude. A carpenter by trade who invented or more specifically re-invented a plow way back in the day.
     
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    I learned alot from Code's books and audited (hung out, didn't pay) a track course he taught. If the lady teaches his material, good for her, why not ??

    One key point of Code's instruction is: one turn=one lean angle ! Chew on that.
     
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