Cross Controlling or Counter Steering

Probably my favorite part of Total Control training:thumbsup:

I've been struggling with a few things and I can tell you right now its a mental block and nothing more.

A great example is my buddy Jeff on his Hayabusa at the track. He rides that thing like you wouldn't believe. The reason is simple. Jeff has very few mental blocks. He's one of the more focused riders I know.

Betarace rides with us and he can tell you the same. Who by the way is another example of a good rider who on his 3rd gen with the original stock suspension, whoops up on people at the track with better equipment too.

So when people say "my bike is holding me back" "my tires suck" "My bike turns slow" I have a tendency not to believe them. To me those statements really translate to: "I lack the faith to trust myself and machine's abilities".

BZ

 

I think it works 02!

BZ

 

Somebody told a friend of mine that the 2010 Harleys will have power steering.

 

Sheesh,, we've had bicycles, cars, tables, books, Codes and dots on a page as examples and even statements concerning "Buells",, as if "they" were all the same bike.

If you'd like to educate yourself concerning the 1125r,, it just earned a spot in Super Bike competition.

My original thoughts were that my two bikes are steered, or mostly controlled differently. The VFR is dominated by counter steering and the 1125r is not,, its perdy much that simple.

I've also learned this is not the place for such a discussion,, I've talked to a few bike racers lately and they have perdy much confirmed my findings in spades and many were previous VFR owners.

The two bikes handle differently for specific reason's,, and Honda made it "specific" on purpose,, just for you.

 

I guess I don't understand what you are saying.
ALL bikes turn by counter steering "ALL BIKES"
if you are saying that you lean your buell to turn it well that is wrong period.
I can sit off to one side of bike, on the tank, backwards, put a floorboard on left side and ride on floor board off to side of bike but still need to CS bike.

all your moving around on the bike weather you think it or not is putting input to your bars ( maybe you just don't know it ) but you CS none the less.

 

Yup, try watching some stunt shows. They'll get on the left/right side note how the bike stays straight.

 

Hey weasel:

How a bike "handles" and "how to initiate turn" on a motorcycle are two different things.

The reason this "may not be the place for such discussion" is you are unclear in what you are communicating.

A tractor trailer and a Lotus Elise 'handle' differently, but they turn the same. Use this analogy with the VFR and Buell1125r and we understand you.

BZ

 

rake and trail and shorter wheel base means nothing on how to turn bike, it will make it turn in faster or slower but all bike steer the same way.
maybe your bike is not set up right. there are many things you can do to fine tune it from the sounds of what you are saying the bike tends to drop in fast then stand up in mid corner.
try messing w/ rear ride height and raising or lowering the forks or combo of both.
compu track will also tell you best set up for bike.
try reading this
Sportbike Suspension Tuning
might help

 

superbike ????? huh
they have to run in sport bike class and run against 600cc bikes.
They should be in super bike class but guess finishing last will not help them sell bikes.

would like to see link on them running superbike class and what size will the engine be ??

 

Welcome to VFR World where the "World" is still Flat

 

Well, Columbus. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"
But, I understand from where you come. I too, am always right.

 

Then there were the parents that went to watch their son march past "In Review"..... Look Pa', said Mom... Our son's the only one in step.
Do you really think all these people are wrong? Did your parents tell you, you were special when you were a child?

 

well good luck staying alive while riding then if you think you lean your Buell to steer, one day when someone pulls out in front of you and " you lean " your bike to get out of the way and end up hitting them.

I guess in your mind the world is still flat.
does the bike go where you are looking?? or target fixation does not apply to you as well as counter steering?

 

Someone please notify all MSF course insttructors, as well as all other private enterprises that teach motorcycle riding courses, to immediately cease teaching this dubious practice of counter-steering.

 

neener,, neener,,, neener

SPEEDtv.com Videos

 

And,, I never said counter steering was not used on the the Buell, it's just not the dominate action like it is on my VFR.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

 

Thx, for the great clip..... I like the way it shows him counter steering when the two of them got together to keep from making it worse..... good catch, Weasel....

 

here is a video of Keith Code's no-BS (body steer) bike in action. Note the before (body inputs only) and after (countersteering).

YouTube - Keith Code's No BS Bike

 

please enlighten me on what you mean by " dominate action "
and feel free to look at pics in my gallery.