Countersteering, a must have skill

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    We have switchbacks in ontario!?
     
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    I could see that out by Thunder Bay

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    Looks like fun out there. I notice they installed some speed bumps :p
     
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    I bet with all that rubber on the road, the side stand is redundant. Gotta be wicked fast too.
     
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    Suppose to rain tomorrow.
    Good day to finish "Total Control" by Lee Parks.
    I lost interest due to too many confusing graphs and sciency shit.
     
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    The class was great BTW
     
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    He teaches counter steering out of a corner. I tried it, can't say I like it.
     
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    Techniques aside, the class is great for anyone looking to refine thier skills. The one technique that is hard to get comfortable with is "preloading" your turn. This is where you lean the bike in the opposite direction of the turn, then release your hold on the lean and the bike snaps into the turn. Although I've tried it a few times, I think this technique is better suited for the track.
     
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    I've not finished reading Park's book, but so far I like it. I'd take his class. I've used the technique on preloading the turn and it helps me stay to the outside on approach. I'm not sure if I use the technique exactly as he describes but once I shift my body weight to the inside, the bike begins to drift, so I have to counter steer away from the turn to eliminate the drift.

    A technique that I've picked up from watching MOTOGP is to shift my lower body before the turn, but stay what is typically described as "crossed up" in the braking zone. This leaves my head over the tank and my lower body to the inside of the bike until the turn. Once I start to turn, my upper body follows the lower body to the inside. This method really helped me keep the bike to the outside of the turn and eliminate the drift.
    Here is a picture of Marquez "crossed up" on the brakes:
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    Lee Parks talks about what I was trying to tell the OP

    On setting up for a corner: "...gravity wants to turn the bike by leaning it as soon as you move your centerline to the inside of the bike's centerline. ...you're going to let gravity do some of the work that you previously had to do with your arms and hands."

    He also says this:
    "I've heard several racers and even riding instructors talk about the importance of weighting the outside peg during cornering. However my personal experience and that of my students has shown that it doesn't matter how much weight you put on the outside peg versus the inside peg, as long as your body is in the correct relationship to the bike"
    He goes on to say "...there are many published photos of GP star Randy Mamola clearly showing his outside foot completely off the peg during cornering. "



    At some point you have to put the book learning into practice. Not today, it's still pouring down rain...

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    Randy's leg is definitely hooked on to the seat and fairing. Based on what I've seen of the 500s, it's nearly impossible to open the throttle while leaned over because as soon as they hit the power band they stand straight up. This leads me to believe that he has sufficient weight on the seat for the amount of throttle input that is safely applied on a 500. Modern bikes can have more throttle applied midcorner without the fear of the bike launching. Any slide resulting is typically minimal and easily managed by momentarily stopping additional throttle input while simultaneously extending the preloaded outside leg to keep the tire and suspension loaded and continuously compressed, thereby maintaining traction. On a peaky 500 2 stroke you're either on or off, no in between. Hence the name, Unridables.

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    With the latest sportbike electronics, you just twist the throttle, pick it up as quick as you can, and get on with it. Riding modes with programmable levels of DTC and ABS are the new order. Most highsides in MotoGP these days come in the wet, or after losing the front first.
     
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    This goes for many two stroke bikes. Take a couple of laps on a big bore motorcrosser that's really old and " own the experience".

    A small plug here for Sportbike Northwest having riding clinics and Q&A sessions included for the entire event by Pridmore, Ienatch, Parks and Hough. No, not all at the same time...
     
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    Got links BB?
     
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    I like the hotdogs at Costco for a peso and a half.

    The other? Sure do.. Google: Sportbike Northwest or for ten years history, back issues of "SoundRider. www.soundrider.com.

    Local guys get involved in this too. Mike Sullivan who I think still holds several records at PIR and Brent Tcaks who is down Tacoma way and teaches riding to the guys at Ranger School.
     
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    I have been practicing my body position .... on my mountain bike riding it with no hands around corners. Nearly highsided when I applied to much throttle.
     
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    Emulating the techniques the fast guys in Moto-GP use is a good idea at slower speeds of course unless somebody has one of those 200 mph VFRs stashed away someplace.
     
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