VTEC And The New Interceptor

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  1. michael

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    Versatility--it's the key to any engine's operation. Early engines had carburetors without throttles, so they always ran wide-open. As internal-combustion-engine design progressed, adjustable components let engines produce power over a wider useful range of operating conditions. First, of course, came the adjustable throttle. Next was an adjustable spark advance, varying the engine's timing.

    More recently, fuel injection and digital ignition have allowed engineers to more closely coordinate and vary fuel delivery and ignition timing. This allows new powerplants not only to produce more power over a wider range of operating conditions (varying altitudes, temperatures, loads, and at engine speeds from idle to midrange to redline), but also allows them to do so while polluting less.

    Still, valve actuation is one aspect of engine control that has remained one of the final frontiers. But Honda's VTEC(TM) changes all that.

    THE CAMSHAFT

    A camshaft, or more correctly the lobes on a camshaft, control several aspects of valve actuation: When a valve opens respective to the crankshaft rotation and piston location in the cylinder (valve timing); how far that valve opens (valve lift); how long that valve remains open (valve duration); how fast the valve attains its maximum lift; and the time both intake and exhaust valves are open at once (valve overlap). Engine designers necessarily design camshafts as a compromise, and typically they give an engine optimum performance in a relatively small rpm range. Realistically, this translates to an engine that produces superior top-end power but suffers from a compromised midrange, or an engine that has a broad, generous midrange but produces less top-end power than one might expect for its displacement.

    HISTORY

    Honda has pioneered several systems to vary valve timing and lift, and the motorcycle division has led the way. In 1985, Honda produced the CBR(R)400F-2 REV bike, an air-cooled inline-four sportbike with a two-valve/four-valve system very similar in principle but differing in detail from the new Interceptor's. (The CBR400F-2 REV was never sold in the United States.) In addition, Honda has applied various VTEC systems on the Acura NSX sports coupe, Integra GS-R, Prelude, del Sol, and Accord Civic automobiles in various markets worldwide.

    HOW IT WORKS

    The Interceptor's VTEC is quite elegant in concept. At engine speeds below 7000 rpm, the Interceptor's camshafts open only one intake and one exhaust valve per cylinder. Above 7000 rpm, the Interceptor's cams open both intake valves and both exhaust valves for each cylinder.

    The Interceptor's cams are always acting on one intake and one exhaust valve per cylinder. These direct actuation valves (diagonally opposed in the cylinder as viewed from the top) use precise, proven, shim-under-bucket valve actuation with 16,000-mile maintenance intervals. The two remaining valves, which open after 7000 rpm, utilize shimless buckets.

    Above 7000 rpm, an oil spool valve, which is actuated by an electric solenoid, sends oil pressure to the hydraulically actuated lifter sleeve inside the inverted buckets of the direct actuation lifters. This positions a spring-loaded engagement pin above each valve stem of the two remaining valves in the cylinder. Consequently, these two remaining valves open and close along with the direct actuation valves, and the engine functions in a conventional four-valve manner.

    Throughout all Interceptor VTEC engine speeds, camshaft lift, timing, duration and overlap remain constant; only the number of valves in use varies.

    WHY IT WORKS

    One of the keys to engine performance is keeping the fuel/air charge moving at a high velocity on its way to filling the cylinder--in the neighborhood of 350 to 450 feet per second. The longer we leave the valves open and the faster the charge moves, the more fuel charge we can stuff into a cylinder--and all that means more power. Mixtures moving in that 350 to 450 fps range rush into a cylinder with considerable force, and continue to fill the cylinder when the intake valve is left open past Bottom Dead Center (BDC) and the piston is on its way up. High charge speeds are easy to maintain at high rpm because as the piston moves down quickly it pulls the mixture into the cylinder quickly, too. But what about lower engine speeds? Cut the charge speed in half, and it has only one-quarter of its previous kinetic energy. That means it doesn't fill the cylinder as efficiently, especially after BDC of the piston travel. This is a particular problem at idle, when the charge speed is at its lowest.

    Enter our friend Daniel Bernoulli, the 18th-century Swiss scientist whose famous law tells us of the relationship between pressure and velocity. In essence, our mixture will have to speed up if it passes through a restricted area. (Carburetor venturis are a classic example.) By opening only one intake valve below 7000 rpm, the fuel/air charge velocity remains high because the charge must speed up to rush through the smaller (single-valve) opening. With engine speeds in excess of 7000 rpm, the speed of the piston dropping in its cylinder and consequent high vacuum keeps the mixture speeds right where they need to be, even with both valves open.

    These same principles apply to scavenging the exhaust gases from the cylinder as well. Again, high gas speeds promote good evacuation of the exhaust gases from the cylinder and out through the exhaust pipes.

    Low-rpm economy and midrange power, plus high-rpm peak power and efficiency--that's the VTEC advantage.

    WHAT IT'S LIKE TO RIDE

    The Interceptor's designers have gone to great lengths to smooth the two-valve-to-four-valve transition. Ignition timing and fuel-injection mapping do a great deal to make this possible. The Interceptor also features a solenoid-actuated dual-air-intake-duct design that keeps one duct closed during low-speed operation. Like the two-valve/four-valve system in the engine, this one duct/two-duct system keeps intake velocity speed high as well.

    Make no mistake--you'll definitely know when your Interceptor shifts from two-valve to four-valve mode. You'll feel the power, yet it will be a smooth increase. You'll hear the difference in both intake and exhaust note as a blood-stirring howl sets up. It'll put a smile in your helmet.

    ADDITIONAL BENEFITS

    VTEC is one reason the new 50-state Interceptor(R) makes so much power yet still runs so clean. How clean? Clean enough to meet the California Air Resources Board 2008 emissions standards years early. A three-way exhaust catalyzer, air-injection system, new-generation fuel injection system and sophisticated injector and ignition mapping all work in concert to help the VFR(R) run clean.

    With the 2002 Interceptor, riders get so much more than ever before, all in one package. But then, that's the Honda way.
     
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    Michael,

    ypu must be an engineer or incredibly interested in the VTEC and the first person able to explain to me the meaning of this high tech system.

    and also the first person who has made it sound positive, everyone else has made it sound like this jerk you feel when it changes to all valves operational.

    I am about to take my first VFR on a test run? tell me what to expect?

    Thanks machedice
     


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    actually, not to reduce michael's engineering skills, I think that was a reprint of a press release of some type. I'm not even sure what michael does for a living. If I had to guess, it's be something computer related. Oh, and I don't think M rides a vtec VFR but if you post in the 6g forum, they can tell you all about it.
     


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  4. John O'Leary

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    What are you going to expect on the '07 model? I can answer that. Very smooth power delivery right up to 7000rpm when the VTEC kicks in. Yes, there is a little jump as the extra valves kick in and then a lovely surge of power as you accelerate. A word of warning though, don't even think of using the VTEC system at any point during a bend as the bike will sit up straight and that's the last thing you need. I have no flat spots due to Honda sorting out the fuel injection mapping on the latest models. I will say i do have a pair of very loud Staintune cans on mine with a K&N air filter, not sure if that makes a difference apart from some extra bhp (always a good thing lol) but it does accelerate a lot better with the added items. As to comfort etc, i can't fault it, it's my second VTEC and I love 'em :)
     


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    On the US 2007 model, the VTEC kicks in at 6400 RPM. I use the RPM range freely and I routinely allow VTEC to kick in while turning. It is a very smooth transition and have not experienced what you mention. I too have no noticeable flat spots or mapping issues. Overall, I have no complaints with VTEC or the bike.
     
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  6. John O'Leary

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    LMAO, you just gotta love the differences in the various specifications. It seems on euro spec bikes and UK spec bikes the VTEC kicks in at 7000rpm. I'm kinda curious why there would be a difference in US spec ones, i've ridden a few VTEC's and all of them as per the above versions start at 7000 rpm.

    As to the cornering issue, only reason i said that is that there is a noticable jump when the VTEC comes in and if you're halfway round a bend, the bike has a tendancy to sit up a bit. For the experienced among us, we can deal with it, but for the inexperienced this might cause a bit of a heart stopping moment.
     


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    I seem to recall that the specifications for the v-tec kicking in have changed over time in order to 'smooth' the transition at whatever rpm.
    The transition on mine was smoothed somewhat after the fitting of an after market air filter... am unsure whether this is due to the filter or other things associated with the service.
    Have even thought 'shite, the v-tech has kacked itself' on occassion ( may have been in third gear) when the transition has been un noticable.
    The technology is not at all bad, sometimes the hysterics over the v-tech are just that - hysterics

    The slug
     


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    I'M a new owner of an 08 (I have an 87 too). 17 miles on the bike ( it had 20 when new oddly enough) and I really HATE it. What was I thinking? I think even up my 87 700 F2H will beat he snot out of the 08 800. I had been wanting a new bike and didn't bother to do my homework. I just thought "hey it's a new VFR, it has to be great... ."

    I'M trying to figure out how to fix it, sell it, part it,take it back.

    This was the first new bike I ever bought that I didn't love at first sight. I think it looks silly with it's high pipes and square boxy lines.

    Can you say buyer's remorse?
     


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    U'mmmm, guess its not what you wanted in the first place or maybe you need to do more miles on it. While the Gen 6 may not immediately stir your soul like a Ducati 1098 it does excel in long distance rides on tightly winding back roads all the while laughing at any road surface inperfections.

    The more you ride it little by little the more you should come to appriciate its brilliant all round competence and vault like build quality. If you want to improve it all you need to do is treat it to a new set of Pilot Road 2 tyres and Staintune exhaust on and you'll not only lift its already good handling but allow its growling V4 sounds to escape as well. :smile:
     


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    first off, how do you go from 20 miles to 17, did you pull a Ferris Bueller?

    2nd, what don't you like about it? That it isn't the fastest thing out there? I don't think anyone would say it was. Did you test ride it? at all? How did you buy it, if you don't like the looks, & if that was an issue for you? I'll admit I didn't and don't love the looks, but I certainly knew that when I bought it. But I grudgingly accepted that because of what I liked about it. The pros outweighed the cons. There can be stuff you don't know when you buy, if you don't do enough research, but how it looks certainly isn't one of them.

    Should be easy enough to sell though, just wait for Spring if you can. You will lose a bunch of money because of the immediate depreciation and it is harder for buyers to get a loan for a used bike than a new one -- if that is even possible anymore. But you will get most of your money back and be done with it.
     


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    It had 20 miles on it from the factory and I put 17 on it on the way home. So it has 37 on it. I looked it over really good and talked to the dealer at length, it was new. I'M not so much into speed anymore or I would have bought a liter bike. But I expected more of it. If I wasn't still suffering from some sort of riding anxiety I think I would have repaired my 87. I may yet. That 87 was apart when I brought home the ZX11 in 92. I remember loving the looks of that bike while feeling like I was cheating on my favorite gal.

    Hypothemia - when I thought I was on a 11 mile straight but was on a 4 mile straight - missed a turn- forgot how to counter steer- 120 MPH tank slapper after hitting a guard rail and that ZX11 was $1,000 worth of junk. Happily I was leathered out and didn't get a scratch.

    I may warm up to the new Viffer, I may not. I'M half Sicilian so it may get half stolen, we'll see.

    I spent time with the service manager. What a putz, he told me the rear shock had no settings for dampening, and I believed him... . Of course it does.
     


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    Remember its red line is 12K so keep your revs above 4k especially in the higher geears also yours has way too little Miles to open up properly but when run in you may even come to like its Ferrari like airbox sounds at high revs and you'll find the VTec transition will smooth out with time and miles, some I know have dialed it and the FI low revs roll off / roll on abruptness out with a PC3, O2 eliminators and some dyno time.

    Wait until you ride the Gen 6 at night and may just appriciate its front end design a little more with its great lighting and yet another thing the Gen 6 is competent at.
     


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    12K You know call me uneducated, call me old, but don't call me slow. In fact I'M slowing down on purpose so I don't know why I'M complaining. What the hell do I know anyway? Is 17 miles, one day, any sort of test?

    I'll look back on this thread and laugh this time next year I'll bet.

    Thanks John.
     


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    Nothing of the sort, its just that the VFR's 800cc v4 needs its Revs to remain smooth but the odd new owner coming over from a HD or BMW trys to run them at 2.5-3k in high gears and then reports the engine is lugging, just letting you know early to keep the revs over 4k. :thumb:
     


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