Tearing into a starter clutch

Ok, so I think I"m going to tear into my starter clutch.....

I'm not pleased about doing it....but it's the only way to make the vfr a running bike, I fear.


So, I know I'm going to need to go buy a starter clutch....

what do I ask for? just a starter clutch? it also seems like I'll need the gasket because I'll have to take a case cover off (not sure exactly) and some beer

what else should I have handy when I tear into it?

any special tools I'll need?


it's a 1987 Honda VFR700F2.

I asked a guy (at A2Zen in Spokane, WA) and he said it was usually an hour labor in a shop....which means 2-3-4 for me depending on how much of it is simple and how much beer is involved and how many trips I have to make to the store for tools/supplies....

 

Here's you parts list.

 

What generally fails is the surface on part #3 where the rollers ride, the rollers themselves (#15) and possibly the clutch (#5). It depends on how far gone the assembly actually is. Of course at the shop we used to repalce everything (springs, bearing, rollers, clutch, and gear) to cover our collective tails. Get a gasket too.

 

you might consider replacing it with a used one from junk yard....

 

not an option around here....:frown:

 

thanks for the info!


but...what do I order when I order the parts from the shop? Do I just tell them I'm doing a starter clutch for my bike and what bike it is and say "how much and, when can I pick it up?"

I like to go to a real shop rather than an internet site (even though all I do is sit on a computer....)

 

got my parts this morning....


OH HELL YES

 

well, it cranks, and it will crank all day!

the springs were worn down, and thus too short to work properly, so now it cranks



and backfires.....no gooda

 

ok, using that picture for reference, can someone double check that I have my timing setup right?

5 is the clutch with the rollers 15, springs 6, and pushers 7 all put in, with the pin 19 in the hole.

4 bolts to 5, with the timing hole in 4 lined up with the pin 19, and so is lined up with the timing hole in 5, because that's where the pin is.

14 slips into the inner collar of 3, and that assembly slides into 4 and 5 assembly.

4 is keyed on, and will only fit on one way.

once I get it together, 3 will spin one way, but not the other

unless 3 is part of it, I don't see how I can get it wrong by lining everything up.



so...if that's all right, on to the spark plugs tonight!

 

Sorry, I was gone. If you're getting a backfire still, check how #4 and #5 went together. Your timing trigger is in part #5 and since the splines are on #4, they will have to go together correctly for accurate timing. If my memory seves me correctly, the roller (#19) is there to locate the cover and clutch assembly.

 

ya, there's a hole in 4 that lines up with a hole in 5. The hole in 5 holds the pin 19, and the hole in 4 is lined up with it. is the pin directional? does the 4/5 assembly need to line up specially with the 14/3 assembly?

I'm beginning to wonder if the pulse-gen is messed up on the new clutch


but...on the plus side, I can rip the case cover off, and the starter clutch off in about 10 minutes or less now!

 

Do you still have the old one to campare? I wish I could see it because it shouldn't go together the wrong way.

 

I'll try to rip it back apart tonight and take some video of what is going on with it.....

yay for my new video camera!


I do have the old part....I'll do some comparing of them tonight too....

 

I'll check back to see what you've got.

 

I honestly couldn't bring myself to open the case cover for the third day in a row.....

here's a video of it running on saturday, and then not running tonight (btw, yes, it's in my living room!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kftckfBmy8

 

check that the wires to the pick-up coils are properly routed and secured because, if not, they can be sawed apart by moving gears inside cover.......i saw that on a customer's bike once!!

 

I didn't move the pickup coils, but I'll double check that too when I pull the case cover off

 

Have you got a timing light?

 

no, but I might know where to find one.....

I like your thinking! That will tell me fo-sho if my timing is off!


...found one!

 

Ok, so, the timing window is frozen shut...so......I didn't check the timing because of this.

but, I did check the plugs, and changed them....I made a quick video of the old plugs and it failing at starting....(currently processing on youtube)



tomorrow morning.....I'm going to crack the case...fucking AGAIN, and check if the timing looks right. If it looks right, I'm going to throw the new rollers and springs into the old clutch, and re-align EVERYTHING, making doubly damn sure it's good, and then....fuck....I don't know......