OIL at $20/barrel??

according to "watchingamerica.com" website the price of oil was $20/barrel when BUSH/CHENEY stole the election and first seized power in US!!!!!:censored:

Undisclosed: price increase for a 6-pack!!:cell:

 

We need to vote a little more logcally. I don't necessarily like the job Bush has done, but I suspect that I would have liked what Kerry would have done even less. It's an example for going with the lesser of two evils. Hopefully Hillary won't make it in this year. Look at the facts, Bush Sr. was Regans VP, then he took office for 4 years, then Clinton was in office for 8 years, now Bush Jr, 8 more years. Our country has been run by the same 2 families for the past 20 years, and if Hillary gets in office, it'll be at least 24 years, almost sounds like a dual monarchy, if there was such a thing. Kinda scary, huh...

 

Ha, I do the same thing :biggrin:

You know there is a button for none of the above
It's called not voting

 

It is good that nothing in the world has happened to effect the price of oil per barrel except for Bush stealing the election...nothing like a terrorist attack on our economic center that resulted in a protracted war in the middle east, or Hamas winnning an election and going after Israel to consolidate power with the few remaining "undecideds" in that area, or China continueing an unprecedented in history of mankind growth of their economy (going from bicycles to autos for half a billion people in a little over a decade while they drive the cost of concrete from $30/yd to $95/yd with their construction)

And during this time in the US we have not even allowed construction to begin on a single new refinery to supply the many different recipes for gas that must be refined for different states and times of the year to meet their environmental demands.

For decades we have some of the lowest costs for gas in the world, why was no one taking donations for our friends in the UK, Australia, Japan, or elsewhere when our gas was hovering around $1/gallon.

Politics is really very simple. Are you for a bigger government that promises to do everything for you (and takes more of your income to use as they see fit) or are you for a smaller central government that leaves many of these decisions up to you locally.

I am not a Bush supporter (he is fiscally too moderate for my tastes) but I have to chuckle when someone says that the president can control how much you pay for a gallon of gas or a barrel of oil (whick just for the record reached a 20 year high when Bush was eleceted in November 2000). He has no control over the majority f oil producing countries (Russia, OPEC, Venezuela) and his efforts here to increase exploration and refining capacity are shouted down as being harmful to the environment.

Here is a link that gives a brief history of oil costs. http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

ANd even though I am not a Bush apologist, I am extremely thankful that he was in office on 9/11 and not that wishy washy Al Gore. We can't even imagine how our world would look today if that were the case.

 

Squirrelman:

Its been a long winter already?

BZ

 

Like the old saying goes...." You turn to politics when you are incapapable of making an honest living"
I am a disabled Veteran from Iraq and I can't say bush has done a great job,but you have to remember the rest of the morons in congress. I wouldn't even fathom what would have happened if Kerry had won. Truth is WE STILL LIVE IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! We can sit back at home and say all of this because we are AMERICANS and we owe it all to our great-grandfathers,grandfathers,and the men and women who have fought and died to protect our opinionated butts.

There, I've said it.

SEMPER FI

 

AMEN brother (prays the lord and pass the ammunition) everybody should spend a little time serving our great country. (voluntarily of course)

 

Well, I do happen to beleive that our occupation of Iraq has alot to do with the countrys large supply of oil. WMDs were never found and never existed in Iraq. Not to say that Saddam Hussein wasnt a tyrant and executed alot of innocent people, but I think Bush saw an opportunity to take control of a major oil producing country in the name of a terrible occurence that preceded the declaration of war on terrorism. Dont get me wrong I am a proud american, and support our troops, but I am not particularly happy with Bush's policies on foreign affairs. Im sure that I would be the same sentiment had it were Hairy Kerry that were in office. What I want to know is how is it that we, as a country, have the capability to read a liscense plate from space, but cant find some guy hiding in a cave....

 

i bet the people that lived in new orleans are really glad bush was in offfice whwn katrina blew in,i voted for him but i have decided he is a puppet and cheney is the puppet master .i jus t remember him saying if we went into iraq the price of oil would remain low and their oil would be used to rebuild the country over there .the whole white house crew has increase their wealth in 7 years.not much difference in them and the afrcan warkords that steal un monies.

 

Screw New Orleans! Mississippi was torn up worse, but they didn't sit on their hands and wait for "Uncle Sugar" to come GIVE them anything. They got up, and got to work.

I won't even get into the Clinton argument, but in the twenty years I was in the Navy (retired, 1999), the only decent raise we ever got was when Reagan was in office. No other raise exceeded the inflation rate.


Lane

 

aaah, that might be because license plates do not constantly move covertly and hide in caves.....catch my drift?

I am currently in Afghanistan, and, trust me, friends, this war WILL continue with or without UBL hiding in caves (which are in Pakistan, BTW, where the US cannot tread).

Frankly, UBL is persona non grata anyway. Additionally, there are scores of other towelies being mentored and trained in camps, or even younger men in maddrassas waiting to take his place when he eventually ends up taking the dirt nap or finally nabbed by Coalition Forces....that is when we stop reading all those license plates and get back to work....

Bush, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Obama, who cares? The GWOT is a completly bi-partisan and world-wide effort, and it had better remain so, because if the winds change, and a lefty gets shoved in office and feels we are fighting an unnecessary war, we are screwed. (myopic liberals included.) Oil prices are bi-partisan, too, BTW. If inflated prices per barrel is one of the costs of keeping the world safer, we are all the better for it.

Nevermind the damned oil, how about American and Coalition soldiers lives? Look at it this way: for every dime extra you pay at the pump for that gallon of gas, scores of men and women gave thier lives in an effort to keep you safe enough to continue going to that pump (on your VFR) to pay that extra price. Suck it up.

As for Iraq, it is what it is, and there is a job to finish, regardless of opinion. Chronic bitching about it only lowers the morale of real American men and women on the battlefield. How 'bout this....don't brief a problem, brief a solution.

Sad thing..... here I am during my off-duty time looking to mentally escape the rigors and BS of this deployment, and what do I find at my favorite motorcycle website instead of some cool ideas or photos of the next best things to come....crap that I typically avoid, like the "The View." Guess I had it coming, I could have not read this thread, but then, hey, I would not have been able to post a reply....

 

:clap2: I thank you for your service and for your sacrifice for our country. I completely agree with you that we live in what is still the greatest country in the world.

 

SFPA,

Thanks for your service as well. If you want I can e-mail you some of pics of a large group of VFR riders enjoying their freedom that you are protecting. I am a glutton for punishment also but I promise this is the last time I will read this thread and get exercised over this issue.

Shoot me a pm if you want to chat or exchange pix or need anything from stateside.

keith

 

Great reply, Keith. I agree 100%.
On another note, this thread is exactly why I haven't been visiting this site as much as I used to. This forum used to be about vfrs, not anything political. If I wanted to read anyone's propaganda, I'll go to ST.N.
See ya at TMAC.

 

Don't forget that we are still picking up the pieces of what 8 years of Dems did to us. In that light I think our current Pres is doing one heck of a job.

If you want to thank someone for this mess, call Bill Clinton. The biggest crime would be to put that family back in the White House again. If that happens I think I'm moving to Canada.

 

1.) SFPA - When I am against the war does not mean I am against the troops! Please do not try to tie the 2 together that is just not fair. I am saddened because our troops are dieing (your brothers in arms) for a war that should have never started. Your mission is not to question but to do and I understand that and that. Our men and women in the service are the BEST. Every minute you are wearing those tan boots you are a hero. I just have the opinion that our command in chief is not such a hero.

2.) After that last post my eyes started to bleed so I just have to go.

SFPA - GOD (or what ever entity) be with you and please come home safe