O8 Vfr 800 - Linked Brakes?

Happened to be looking over the spec sheet on Honda Financial.com It mentions that this bike has linked brakes.

Can anyone tell me if this is true?

 

Yes there very good.


Plasma

 

what plasma meant is yes they ARE very good.

yea the bike has em, yea they are nice. Will go a long way to helping save your butt if you grab a bunch of front brake or rear brake since it shares the load. Hell, it is even nice on a racetrack since you brake hard (front) into a corner and the rear does a little braking too (typically people dont use the rear brake too often on the track in my experience).

 

Why would Honda change something after 10 years of doing it the same way? Of course they are linked.

 

Linked brakes with ABS FTW!

 

So if I grab a hanful of front the rear is engaged slightly? And if I push hard on the rear the fronts are engaged slightly?

 

Yup- that's how they work.

 

90% of the riders on this forum will benefit from linked brakes...

 

Where's my CBS sparing partner mello dude ? :wave:

Even some of the remaining 10% that don't need it and are quite capable of using front and rear brakes independantly still benefit by allowing them to be a little lazy therefore less fatigued over long distances.

Being not a 10/10ths type of rider my favourite usage of the VFR is to use its wonderful midrange 5.5k to 9.5k and good natural engine braking to single gearing as smooth as possible through known long distance undulating twisties. By using mostly front brakes if needed before the corner ( with the CBS using a little rear ) it leaves me to move around on the balls of my feet without needing to shift my foot to use the rear brake at all.

It seems most Sports Touring classed bikes have Linked brakes to help lower distance fatigue eg VFR800s, ST1300, CBR1100xx, FJR1300, Moto Guzzis, BMW's etc have them but track focused bikes eg CBR1000RR do not so the rider can proportion front and rear braking exactly as they like.

 

Yeah, its nice. Just that little bit extra from the other wheel makes it feel like a lighter bike.

 

I agree as well. I have the linked brakes with ABS on my 6th gen, and I don't mind them a bit. I have heard that the fact they're linked can affect your angle of lean if you trail a little rear brake into a corner, but I'm just not good enough of a rider to really be that discriminating. I'm a rider of average ability who likes to ride long distance, corner hard when the road gets twisty (but well under the limit), feel the power when traffic permits, and ride 2-up sometimes. The linked brakes with ABS give me extra security.

I once wrecked a Vulcan by panicking when I saw a limb covering the road in front of me. I pulled too much front brake, locked it up, and met the pavement hard. I am just about certain that the injuries I sustained would not have happened with the system I have now.

I'm a car racer and driving school instructor and know very, very well how to handle a cage. My race cars most definitely do NOT have ABS because I need the extra feel that a fully uninhibited system can give. I need to be able to position the car perfectly for corner entry. But on the street? Sure, I don't mind it a bit. The conditions on the road are unpredictable, and a little extra safety margin is not a bad thing. Linked brakes (and ABS) on a bike are the same situation to me.

 

1/3 of the opposite brake is activated by the other.

 

...Before the linked brake change, which was in '06 IIRC. After that date only 1 of 6 front pistons is activated by the rear brake pedal, and 1 of 4 rear brake pistons is activated by the front lever.

 

just read about new linked abs computer controlled braking system for 09 CBR more advanced than vfr linked system. i would say this is the future, with all the advancements it may be coming to a track near you.

posted article here>>>http://vfrworld.com/forums/general-vfr-discussions/20590-new-abs-linked-brakes-cbr.html

 

Yes, the salesman told me about the C-ABS on the Fireblade when I was buying the VFR. I've read reviews of the system in magazines and they say it's completely seamless and pretty much perfect. Smart ABS that knows lean angle...That's an amazing thing.

 

Cheers, its looking to be a bit of a stinker today so much appreciated. :smile:

 

I was always under the impression that, on all 6th Gen VFRs, engaging the rear brake actuates one (of three) piston in each of the front calipers (via the secondary master and the PCV) and two (of three) in the rear. Similarly, engaging the front brake actuates two pistons in each of the front calipers and one in the rear. That's certainly the way that my '02 works.

I've never seen a reference to any changes. In fact, the 2006 UK press kit makes no mention of and CBS or ABS changes (http://www.hondauk-media.co.uk/uploads/presspacks/f6deb02081083533d59f2b6ac162f36fb8737f13/vfr06e.pdf). Do you have a source?

 

Yes, there was a change to the linked brake system as well as the VTEC activation RPM. Here are some links, and a quote.

http://vfrworld.com/forums/6th-gene...nda-interceptor-interceptor-abs-features.html

Honda-VFR.com::Motorcycle News, Info, Stats, and Pictures

Honda VFR 800 V

And, least reliably, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_VFR800

"Linked Braking System (LBS™) uses a second master cylinder and a proportional control valve (PCV) to couple the three-piston calipers of the dual-front and single-rear brake discs for even better braking feel, while providing the peace of mind of an LBS system. Using the front brake lever activates the outer two pistons of the left-side front caliper, all three pistons of the right-side caliper and the center piston of the rear caliper. Rear pedal engagement activates the two outer pistons of the rear caliper and the center piston in the left-front caliper."

There are many references online to the 2/6 vs. 1/6 configuration of the early and late 6th gen models.

 

Hey, thanks. Learn something new every day...