Can not put bike in gear or start in gear

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  1. bladrnr

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    Can not put bike in gear or start in gear. It turns out the side stand switch is not the problem. The bike satrts but I can;t put in gear without it dieing. Also if I try to start the bike in gear it lurchs forward like I don't have the clutch pulled in. What's the probem? A service tech told me the clutch reservoir probably needs to be flushed but it doesn't seem to be any different than it has been in the ten years ive owned it. The bike has been sitting a lot in the last two years, but I rode in August and it was fine.
     


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    Replace the fluid. Flush out the old fluid and put new fluid in and bleed the line. Before you do that make sure you do not have any leaks in the line, a bad master cylinder or clutch slave unit. Regardless of how ran/worked in August, it's Januarary and it's not working...
     


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    need to unstick the clutch plates. They are stuck together from sitting dry with all the oil at the bottom of the pan. Pulling in the clutch handle relieves the pressure plate but the discs are still stuck.

    I've always been able to get it unstuck by sitting on the bike with the clutch handle pulled in (bike in gear) and rocking forward and backward. Progressively get harder in your rocking motion. You should feel the discs break loose and the bike will start to roll normally.

    certainly could be a more complicated problem but I have seen this before. Nothing to lose by letting it idle in neutral again for a little bit and get warm. Then shut it off and shift into 2nd or 3rd gear, hold the clutch in and rock it back and forth. Would bet a beer that you will feel the disks break free.
     
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    The sevice tech said that the clutch plate problem was a possibility but is pretty rare,but at this point I'll try anything I don't have to pay someone else to do. Thanks.
     


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    I fixed it. The fluid level was just slightly too low. I added what seemed like a tiny bit of fluid and it came right back. I've never had this happen before to any bike I've owned ,but I've never let a bike sit like this before. For the record it does need to be drain and flushed the fluid is a bit on the amber side. Tinkerin you owe me a beer. :)
     


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    Good deal! Just show up at R3 in May and I should be able to pay up.
     


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    I actually went to a dealer yesterday with my stalling problem and the tech said that the bike will not start in gear with the clutch in, thats from the factory . The first time my bike stalled I was shocked that I had to find neutral to re-start, now you guys are saying thats not the case and this mechanic doesn't know shit WTF
     


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    It should crank while in gear just not with the side stand down.
     


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    Clutch switch is either, fried, or disconnected, or a wire associated with the starter safety circuit has come loose, or diode in circuit has potentially fried. Check all ground wires.

    Circuit wiring is as follows:

    Side Stand Switch Green/White wire trace back to 2 Pin Connector (green wire is supposed to go to ground)
    Green/White wire out of 2 pin connector follow to Clutch Switch located at Clutch Lever/Master Cylinder
    Green/Red wire out of Clutch Switch to Main 30 Amp Fuse and diodes (TEE)
    Light Green wire out of diodes to Neutral Safety switch.

    If the neutral light illuminates, then the diodes are good....
    If it also starts in neutral the diodes are good....
    If it won't start in gear with the clutch engaged.....clutch switch is issue
    The bike will start, in gear, with clutch engaged, side stand up, if circuit is functioning properly...





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    I would say that NorCalBoy has a more detailed explanation of it, but I know my 2009 will start in gear with clutch engaged, but not in gear with side stand down.

    Cheers!
     


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    that is correct.
     


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    Your the MANN Tink, just went out and warmed up the sled, clicked it into 2nd and rocked the shit out of it back and forth for about 3 minutes and NOW it starts in gear- who would of thunk it--- Thanks- cant wait to go by the dealer out here in Simi and show the head mechanic that it actually does start in gear :)
     


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    don't think that rocking it and starting in gear had anything to do with my original recommendation...

    but glad it works!
     


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    I've always been able to get it unstuck by sitting on the bike with the clutch handle pulled in (bike in gear) and rocking forward and backward. Progressively get harder in your rocking motion. You should feel the discs break loose and the bike will start to roll normally.

    OK, I'm glad it worked to --- thanks
     


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    right. shouldn't have affected the clutch safety switch
     


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    Thanks a bunch!! I've been searching the forum for info on the clutch safety switch... my new-to-me 2000 VFR800 won't start in gear, and boy was I surprised the first time I killed the engine as the light turned green. I thought I was going to have to disable a switch somewhere, but now I'll just replace the clutch switch.

    One week with the bike, and I'm loving it!!
     


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