Adding 2-stroke oil to the gas

Is anyone else doing that as well?

Another supplement I've come across is "gas stabilisator" by WAGNER or LIQUI MOLY (German companies). Had gas turn thick over time... Bought it, can't comment on it yet. Before, the gas tank was filled to the rim...

Chris

 

Chris, you should add 2001 VFR800 to your profile.

I use Sta-bil in every vehicle or piece of equipment where gas sits. A larger volume preserves the gas for longer periods of time, per the instructions. Any good stabilizer is a good idea for seldom used vehicles.

Consider having your fuel injectors cleaned as suggested to me by CandyRed. A one time cleaning eliminates all of the years of grime buildup with one swift motion.

 

Will do, thanks, Knight!

 

techron, seafoam. 2 stroke oil would screw up plugs with carbon too much- a little would help a tiny bit. Best to use products made for that kind of use-use the right tool you fool!

 

One of those old Chinese guys who got sacked from writing fortune cookie messages once said, "Beware of noobs who can fry your bearings."

 

I'll second that. Sta-bil is the way to go for anything where gas might sit for while.

 

This may sound like a dumb newby question but I really don't gjve a rats ass. Does cleaning your injectors require the removal of said injectors or running a cleaner throu your gas?

 

Randy I believe you can do both, additives might dissolve deposits in the injectors, but if they don't then specialist companies will take your removed injectors and clean them in an ultrasonic bath whilst cycling the needles, which gets all the crud out properly.

 

Randy, none of your rotated profile picks comes close to the great view of your bike that you had for so long

Both methods you mention are possible. You're already familiar with injector cleaning fluids, however additives in your tank can only do so much. At some point in age it is good to remove the injectors and send them to a qualified vendor that cleans fuel injectors and perhaps can provide a datasheet showing you the consistency (or forbid any problems in consistency) among the four injectors.

It is interesting that you joined in this conversation. You have that occasional 4000 RPM surge? Someone on the other forum had a similar problem and cleaning the throttle body and injectors fixed it. Since that is an intensive process, I wonder if other coincidental things helped as well, like cleaning the coolant connections, tightening or replacing vacuum hoses, adjusting the wax idle unit, etc. But the cleaning is what they reported to be the fix.

 

Let me kindly throw a wrench into this debate...

Got some info last fall from a guy who works on small engines.
He was quite vehement in his dislike for Sta-bil.

From what he said most issues were with 2-stroke machines, chainsaws etc.

My apologies as I don't remember the specifics of, but he went far out of his way
to make his point about the Sta-bil.

He reminded me that Sta-bil is merely a fuel preservative.
Meaning it offers no protection for the machine... yeah sometimes you do
need to be smacked with the obvious.

He went on to point out two important items:

1. Sta-bil will not eliminate moisture already in the tank/fuel system

2. Sta-bil will not prevent phase separation <<<< THIS is the big one, because
with the ethanol adulterated fuels there is already a higher propensity
to attract moisture.

And regarding Seafoam, if you use gas with any ethanol and then add Seafoam
you will be adding more ethanol as Seafoam has ethanol in it.

With any fuel system detergent you also run the risk of flushing the
contaminants INTO the injectors- simply stated, random intermittent
clogging. At best.
I have personal experience with this in a 4-wheeled vehicle, let me tell you it was not a fun gremlin to figure out!

Ok so the guy did recommend me K100, which I had not heard about before.

May be a bit hard to find in some areas, but my local Advance Auto had it.

It is ounce for ounce nearly the same cost as Sta-bil.

Also, unlike Sta-bil, K100 will restore old fuel.

So K100 does everything Sta-bil doesn't do!

Video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1_dxFiGps

PS there are gasoline and diesel versions, choose appropriately...

 

Similar to carburetors, taking the injectors off and having them cleaned is going to be the best way to have them cleaned thoroughly and properly. I think as a society, the quick and easy route (Here take this pill) has been drilled into our heads so we look for the easy route as the first method. I will admit that I have been guilty of using stuff like Sea Foam/Techron but this is more as a preventative rather than a fix.

 

Redwing, that isn't throwing a wrench in, which according to an idiom web site is "to do something that prevents a plan or activity from succeeding." We can succeed with a better product recommendation from you.

I am hearing of K100 for the first time. So I did some research. After many bad sites with clear motivations, this appears to be a reasonable independent test. This guy confirms everything you have said. Just look at his test guys, it looks incredible:

http://ttrno.com/blogs/news/4761782-ethanol-vs-fuel-treatments-k100-success-story

Maybe I'll get this rather than finishing my Sta-bil bottle. I have great need for a stabilizer in all of my equipment nowadays, including my car.

 

Fantastic info, thanks for the link!

That last picture says it all, fuckin' amazing!

 

From link "I have seen dozens of 2 stroke engines seize due to the effects of this new fuel additive (methanol)."

Now I remember, that is what he brought up, I remembered it was something severe.. doesn't get much more severe than seizure!

 

When I worked at USGS, we'd add Yama-lune to the fuel in out 26' boat with twin Yamaha 115's on the back. After a full tank of the Yama-lube, we were cruising 5 mph faster on average than before. The dude at the boat shop said it'd work wonders in a car or motorbike, but use a lower dose because it'll clog your cat-converter since it removes so much crap from your system...

***EDIT: Sorry, its Yamalube Ring-Free. Look that up.***

 

I'VE always thought it's better to drain carbs b4 storage rather than let sta-bil additive sit in them.

 

Agreed squirrel, the problem is ethanol fuel goes stale in weeks or days. Not months or years like it used to.

I'm not going too far out of my way to always find genuine gasoline, so for me it makes sense to keep a
certain percentage of "insurance" in the tank.

 

Learned a long time a go that 91% Isoprobyl alcohol from the drug store does the same thing. aka Dry Gas. You can try your own test at home. Gas, water, isopropyl together and shake. The water will mix with the gas and exit your tank. It's not a stabilizer just a water/gas mixing agent.

 

Yep Drygas is still a good option. For those interested the active ingredient in K100 is Butyl Cellusolve.

 

I'll ask my Dad, who's got a chemistry degree... LIQUI MOLY sells an injector cleaner and I bought it.

The idea behind the 2-stroke oil was to add ashes to the gas and that the oil would BURN when mixed in at say 25 ml on a full tank. Not to foul up the spark plugs! (The composition of gas has changed for the worse, from the point of view of an engine, unlike the envvironment).