Countersteering

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  1. gundamzer02000

    gundamzer02000 New Member

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    I know counter steering happens when you push the handle bars left or right to induce a turn from what I researched.

    But, none of what I read talks about how do you pull the bike up after your done leaning through the turn? Do you turn the handle bars towards the turn to bring it back up or do you turn away from the turn?

    Thanks.
     


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    "push right, go right", "push left, go left". Countersteering was one of the best skills learn't in my MSF training.

    There's also a bunch of great videos on youtube if ya wanna learn some more basics.
     


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    you're probably just over thinking the action...it's just like jason said. Push right, go right. Push Left, Go left....so bringing the bike up from a turn is just the opposite of what you did to get in the turn...
     


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    I normally don't use big words. I want to try this one, gyroscopic. It describes the action of the forces at play which tend to keep a motorcycle upright when rolling.
    I guess what I trying to say is that your bike is self righting, you have to unbalance the system to make a turn. Remove the input that induced the turn, and the machine will stand back up, and travel in a strait line. I think.

    What soundmaster31 said.

    Mac
     


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    On page 117 of the May 2008 Cycle World in the service section there is a question "Counter-intuitive" questioning countersteering. The answer will explain everthing you need to know about countersteering.
     


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    Don't over think it. When turning, I don't really counter steer-as in turning the wheel. I more lean on the bars towards the direction I want to turn. Then, when I come out of a turn, I just lean back up. Very simple, very much like riding a bicycle. I was quite surprised how easy it was when I started riding(just last year). Practice at slowerspeeds and minor lean angles helped me tremendously. I spent weeks just riding figure 8s in first gear on an airport taxiway. Then when I felt secure, I rode out on a dead end street with one bend in it and slowly increased speed and leaning. I am just now to the point where I feel comfortable sticking out a knee and leaning way out there.
     


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    Maybe you should take the BASIC MSF course.
    It's as basic as this is your clutch and this is your brake....
     


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    Hello and welcome!

    As others have recommended here, please take and pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's Basic Rider's Course. Meanwhile, get thee a copy of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's Guide to MOTORCYCLING EXCELLENCE, 2nd Edition. Read and re-read this book! It is readily available at Amazon.com.

    Reading this book, along with taking and passing the BRC, will begin to teach you the do's and dont's of motorcycling.

    You wrote " I know counter steering happens when you push the handle bars left or right to induce a turn from what I researched... But, none of what I read talks about how do you pull the bike up after your done leaning through the turn? Do you turn the handle bars towards the turn to bring it back up or do you turn away from the turn?"

    Read the above mentioned book, take the BRC, and you will begin to learn that many MOTORCYCLING riding techniques that may at first seem counter-intuitive are in fact very intuitive. For example, in answer to your good question here, you may not yet be aware of the fact that once a motorcycle is leaned into a curve or turn, it is very important to begin applying sufficient throttle in order to keep the bike upright and going where you want it to go. When riding a motorcycle, rider inputs such as head positioning, steering, throttle, braking, traction, and body English become critical. Much of this should become intuitive once you get the hang of it.

    That said, the most common situations where a new rider will encounter problems is (1) Tight, slow-speed turning maneuvers such as figure-8's in a small area such as a parking lot; (2) Curves, particularly decreasing radius curves; (3) Stopping and starting the bike on an incline, particularly those in which you must also smoothly make a 90 degree, left or right turn. This is where you are most likely to dump the clutch, stall the bike, and drop it, often in face of oncoming traffic; (4) It's relatively easy to ride a motorcycle in a straight line. Here the urge to apply throttle can be intoxicating, until you find yourself entering an unfamiliar curve too fast or hot.
     


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    It's intuitive; you are probably doing it and just don't realize it. The MSF course will cover it very specifically, but almost everyone I've run across who has ridden for a while does it without thinking about it.

    An old timer told me a long time ago, you don't steer a motorcycle, you nudge it!

    Phuqet
     


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