2009 Challenger

I aint hatin' on ya. I just call it like I see it.

The assclown in question had certainly put $$$ under the hood & he still fell short of a bone stock car. For the price, you can't beat the GTI in terms of performance, mileage, standard equipment or comfort. To date, the only thing I don't like about the GTI is that is comes with summer only racing tires, Bridgestone Potenza R050A. Last time I checked, it gets cold & sometimes snows in NJ. I had the tires replaced 2 days later with Continental Extreme Contact.

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Adding fuel to the fire...

Why the eff can the original big 3 only have people smiling when they rip off their own previous designs? Why can't they build NEW legends? Why bastardize the Mustang, Charger, Challenger, Impala, Monte Carlo so much?

If you're desperate, at least don't effing show it.

 

Word.

I don't mind the one's that have been constantly in production. It's when the bring the name back & put it on a FWD V6 family car that pisses me off.

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I never claimed VW's where junk, mine is junk but then again I bought it that way. A NICU(Neonatal Intensive Care Unit) resident intern my wife worked with had it & though he only only owned it for 25K of its current 101K I don't think he spent a dime on normal maintenace, emergency maintenace yes but not normal. It also suffered a unplanned alcohol related off road event that deployed both air bags & maybe tweaked the sub frame a tad but it tracks straight. Any way that event was not reported & he was in a hurry to part company with it. So I got what I paid for, nothing unexpected.

 

a stock GTI is very slow. yawn make me fall asleep slow.

there are several cars faster for around 23k

including but not limited to:
dodge caliber SRT4
dodge nitro R/T
chevy cobalt SS turbocharged
saturn sky redline
saturn ion redline
subaru impreza GT
pontiac solstice GXP
pontiac G6 GXP

amoung others.

the new GTI is not a bad car, but its not fast. and there are lots of cars that perform better for the same price or less and are probably more reliable too

 

I'd like to know what your definition of slow is. By no means is the GTI the top dog on the street but it will keep up with most of the cars you listed. I paid $21500 out the door.

Caliber? Possibly, but who actually owns one of these?

Nitro? ound: It's a 4000lb SUV & costs $27k.

Cobalt SS? I see they raised the HP to 260 for 08 so yes, it will probably beat a GTI.

Sky Redline/Solstice GXP? Yep, that's true but it cost's $30k (price directly from www.saturn.com)

Impreza GT? No such car listed on their Website.

Impreza WRX? Base price for $24300 & is probably about equal to the GTI. The GTI weighs less & has a 6 speed vs the Impreza's 5 speed which makes the difference.

Impreza WRX STI? It will stomp the crap out of the GTI but MSRP's for $34995.

G6? Possibly, but I doubt it. It MSRP's for $27600 & is not a true performance car.

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i meant legacy GT

take your GTI to the drag strip. you'll run 15s in it. thats slow. there are several trucks faster than your GTI. like the HEMI rams and v8 tundras, the new diesels also run 14s. the mags test the brand new 2.0T GTI at low 15s at about 92mph. which is extremely slow.

do some research before you talk about these other cars please. they are all much faster than GTIs.

the colbalt SS will completely anhilliate your GTI in every category.

the WRX is a mid 14s pig, at about 95-96mph faster than the GTI by a good margin

the GTI is NOT a sports car.

scratch the nitro from my list, the one i was thinking of isn't out.. the srt nitro

 

Dude, you're not even worth bothering with anymore. If you were any dumber, you'd be Gomer Pyle.

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just stating facts.

you can keep living in your fantasy world if you want to.

have fun beating civics i guess :caked:

if you think your GTI is fast, take it to the drag strip and video tape it and shut me up.

 

I say screw gas mileage!!
Drive what you like and fill 'er up!!!
I have a '69 Cougar Eliminator with a huge cam,aluminum heads and nitrous.
I also have a '67 Torino GT convertible that has a 289 and is my econo-box.
Gas is around $1.20 a liter here and nobody in my nieghbourhood seems to care.
On my daily commute I'm surrounded by Hummers and big P/U trucks.
I know its not politically correct to not give a shit,but I don't!
We are all ADDICTS we'll get our drug (gas) whatever the cost.
At the cabin guys still gun around all day pullin' skiiers with their big boats and burnin' gas like it's goin' out of style.(pun intended)

Detroit can build abnoxious gas suckin' pigs and people will drive 'em just to prove that they can afford to...

I really hope I'm not sounding too abnoxious on this topic,but it just seems like the attitude a lot of people seem to have.

 

It's not so much an issue of the public wanting to buy a vehicle that gets low mileage. It's an issue that the US automakers will be forced to average 35mpg across the board. There is no way that's possible with the vehicles Chevy & Ford are producing now.

I see trucks taking a nose dive in the next few years. No matter how much technology you put into it, you can't make a 6000lb truck get 35mpg. It's simply not going to happen. The only way the automakers will be able to achieve the goal with trucks will be to make them smaller & lighter with smaller engines. Then, what will be the point of buying a truck if it's nothing more than a bigger car, ala the Honda Ridgeline? It was/is a joke & any one that wants one has one & now they don't sell because they are useless as a traditional truck.

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KC,
Good point,especially on the ridgeline,I totally agree.
I guess all those authentic '60's musclecars will be making another huge jump in value if detroit is regulated out of producing muscle!!!
Oh yeah,if you have a nice 5.0 Mustang or Mark 7 or 5.0 T-Bird put it away and save it for a rainy day........it's gonna rain.

 

hopefully we'll get a sane congress by then who will reverse the idiotic cafe standards, which are partly responsible for millions of deaths. people who die in small cars who would've otherwards lived in larger ones

 

I don't see the point of packing your family into a little POS car just to save a buck in gas.

 

I own an 07 Honda Accord, a 96 Toyota T100, and an 07 Honda VFR (of course). There isn't, and won't be, an American car in my inventory from now on. When I'm asked why this is, my standard answer is, "I don't like working on vehicles I depend on." I owned an 05 Chevrolet Cobalt when I first joined the Air Force. Within 3000 miles, the transmission would surge and let out a loud, metallic sound whenever the car was started. 3000 miles? My Toyota has 203,000 miles on it and the transmission has no problems...and it's towed a 3500 lb boat all over the countryside. What gives? Honda and Toyota will get my business.

All I'm saying is that I'd rather burn rice than oil...

 

2001 GMC 2500 HD 140,000 miles, runs like new, still on original brakes. We need to support the American car makers on the products that they are doing right. Ask the Auto workers in Michigan.

 

A Charger SRT8 will catch, pass, and walk off and leave a VFR. The top end on that family sedan is amazing.
The biggest fault I see with the new " Muscle Cars," is their electronic nanny's.

Right foot says," Uug, want hundred'n'eighty feet of smokin' rubber on road!"

Little computer says, " No, No! I'll modulate you torque. Safety, safety, remember, excessive wheel spin is so....rude!"

I remember the good old days, when there was a cable between the gas pedal, and the throttle body. I guess that falling away into the past, like sexually segregated public restrooms.

The times, they are a changin'.

Mac

 

hmmm ya. my 01 still has pushrods and a cable from my foot to the throttle body!

 

As soon as the Auto workers in Michigan get rid of the UAW, they'll have my full support. Until then, screw them.

Yep, most of the high end performance cars available today will out run a VFR on the top end. I really don't see that as a fault since I don't have even the slightest reason to do 145mph on public street anyway. Up till about 120, a VFR will run with just about 90% of the cars on the road. Newer super sports like the 08 Kawasaki ZX-10 will give high end performane cars trouble well past 160mph. Again, anywhere other than a racetrack, is this really an issue?

From www.MotorTrend.com road test of the GTO vs Charger SRT8:

0-60
Charger: 5.0 GTO: 4.7

1/4 mile
Charger: 13.5 @106.3 GTO: 13.3 @ 105.9

2000 VFR800fi (data from Motorcyclist magazine)
0-60: 2.9
1.4 mile:
11.2 @ 122.2
top speed:
147mph

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The only Chrysler products I'll ever own are '62-'74. Even then, my Road Runner is overweight and needs lots of motivation (cam, intake, heads, exhaust, etc.) to go fast, doesn't corner great, and the 4-speed is sloppy. But I love it to death and won't part with it.

My '05 Subaru Turbo Baja has beat an Acura RSX, my neighbor's scion tC with factory TRD supercharger, a Chrysler 300 Hemi, a Subaru WRX TR (oddly, since it's like the same engine, but my "car" is heavier) and has been good to me other than the dealer wouldn't fix the door weatherstripping which howls at speed and you have to slam the door to get it to shut, giving me a lot of BS about how it's supposed to be like that (Riverside Subaru in California sucks) and the howling is the "turbo warning system" alerting you that you're going too fast and the turbo needs to "break in". WTF?! Oh, and the A/C has a leak and I need to address it (out of warranty).

My '93 Mazda Miata lasted 12 years without one single issue until it was T-boned by a giant Ford SUV, and it STILL ran great after that, but not being able to open the door got annoying after a while. I know other Mazdas don't have the same quality control as the Miata. I don't know how it is in recent times.

My VFR runs good, but sat for years before my dad sold it to me, so needs some attention! :first:

I might buy a smart car just because it's different.

I don't know what the point of this thread is. Do what you want, drive what you want. Yeah, Chrysler quality-control in the past has sucked with certain cars (seems to be the Omni Chargers and minivans), but my dad's '92 Dodge Stealth R/T is still his daily driver without any major mechanical issues (the aesthetics look like ass though).

We're all VFR riders... end of story?