Oil change interval for O7 RWB

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  1. slausmann

    slausmann New Member

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    My owners manual for my O7 indicates an oil change every 8,000 miles. The dealer where I purchased the bike says every 4,000 miles but acknowledges that it is half of the Honda specification. Any comments on this?
     
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    Well I hate jumping into a oil type thread -but I think 8000 miles is nuts. I'm a fairly anal foole so I do my oil roughly every 2500 - 3000 miles, sometimes less if I have been beating on the bike quite a bit. This then runs into the dino/synth/short break-in/long break-in oil thread stuff.

    Good luck,
    MD
     
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    Same here. I have the shop manual. Says every 8,000 miles. I change my oil every 4,000, and filter every 8,000. I do a bit of stop and go in town and back roads. So like to change it a little more often. Depends how you use the bike too. My bike rarely goes above 7k rpm, but since I do the stop 'n go town stuff. Like to be nice to it.
     
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    I run Redline Synthetic usually, but used Mobil One synthetic this time. I change it every 5k as long as I use a good synthetic. I know that many oils will last past that, but I just think that oil picks up too many contaminants by then, or at the very least, it sure doesn't hurt to change it 3k early.
     
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    Hey, I heard a myth that synthetic oil might not be good due to a wet clutch system. Says it might make it slip. What's your opinion of that?

    I'm interested in synthetic oil for my 07 but not sure yet...
     
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    After an oil change at 300 miles and then at 600 miles I am using Repsol Moto 4T which is synthetic but specifically blended for Honda motorcycles. Repsol claims it actually promotes smoother clutch and gear changes and it is available at most Honda dealers.
     
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    Never had a problem with motorcycle specific, or wet clutch safe synthetics. Of course, (like I mentioned in another thread) as long as the oil is not an "economy, environmental, or energy-conserving" type which has certain (friction modifiers) additives added to reduce friction and are not wet clutch safe. This is the "myth" that you were referring to...the friction reducing additives can coat the clutch plates and make them slip. If you use a motorcycle specific synthetic you will be just fine. I actually used to run car synthetic oil in my bikes for years, and I never had my clutch slip with those either.

    Like I have stated in other threads....opinions on what type of oil are like assholes...everybody has one. Just use a quality motorcycle specific oil and change it (and the filter) at regular intervals (I go to 5k for synthetic oils) and all will be just fine.

    Redline motorcycle oil has reduced friction modifiers to make it wet clutch safe....I have used the car oil in my bike and no problems either.

    www.redlineoil.com
     
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    Thanks for the clarification guys. Synthetic it is for me then. I'm at 700 miles now. Did my 600 miles service already. When is it a good time to go synthetic?
     
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    Most resources online say to use dino oil for the break in period so that the rings seat correctly and you get a little bit of break in wear in the transmission. After the initial break in period, let loose with the synthetic.

    As for synthetic causing slippage, Derstuka hit it. Though, I would also add that there is no significant difference between Motorcycle specific and automotive oils (none that I've found anyway). Unless, that is, the rating is below 10w-40, 10-40 oil doesn't contain friction reducing agents usually because it doesn't need to, but it's a good idea to check.

    http://www.xs11.com/stories/mcnoil94.htm

    Synthetic oil and dino oil of the same weight are pretty much the same, the difference being how they're created and their chemical content. Synthetics are well... synthetic, man made oil that produces predictable/stable molecules, eliminating a lot of undesirable metals that can be found in dino oils. They don't break down as fast and a lot of other benefits (hence the premium price).
     
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    I would say anytime after the recommended break-in time is a good time to go synthetic.....if I was you, I would do it next oil change. I would just run the oil you have in it for awhile and then switch to synthetic when you next change your oil. No need to waste fresh clean oil!
     
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    No need to say anything, most coverd the bases, cept I change mine every 2k with Amsoil to boot.
     
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    I looked at the recommended service intervals on the '07 and thought I was missing something... 8K for an oil change on a high RPM engine that shares its oil with the transmission? Yikes! I try to keep an open mind, but that seems excessive.

    First change was at 400 miles w/new filter & BelRay 10-40 petroleum. The next will be at 2000 miles w/new filter and Golden Spectro 10-40 synthetic blend. After that, probably 4000 mile intervals (Golden Spectro) depending on how enthusiastic I've been.
     
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    :confused:

    But thats where it gets really....really good!

    Oh...keeping on topic, I change mine every 4,000, full synthetic. I might go out on a limb here, and start using "automobile" full synthetic oil in my bike now, rather than a motorcycle brand. I am tired of $60 oil changes (including the filter). From everything that I have read, and all the case studies, I see no reason why not. Its not that I cant afford the "motorcycle" specific stuff. Its more along the lines of that I believe we are getting deceived by good advertising.
    The way I see it, is if full synthetic "automobile" oil is good enough for a 100,000 sports car, its good enough for my bike.
     
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    300 miles hp honda line, 600 miles golden spectro base, 1600 miles spectro synthetic blend ,after that full synthetic.once a year or 3k at least becuase i just feel better about that but the book says 8k maybe becuase of the v-tech -nology allows less burn off and break down just a thought. i change oil filter everytime thats were the dirt lives..and its only a few dollars more yes filter not fun to change but its your engine. oils ive tryed mobil one,belray exp exs, maxima,silkolene,castrol,honda hp,golden spectro,10-30,10-40,20-50 in summer 20-50 i noticed keeps valve train a little quieter and shift easier also run oil level a little high becuase i usually do some hi speed everyride 130 or so u know is str8 and flat in texas hot too anyhoo,i think all synthetic motor cycle specific are good just what brand you think is better they all meet or exceed the requirements in the shop manuel..
     
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    auto will work fine but, auto is for engine in car not clutch and trans,the bike oil is for the trans clutch also has more sheer stabilizers i've tried them both through out years and different bikes ,bike oil shifts better especially later when u rack up some miles put in a new clutch sooner with car oil...and the bike oil say hp syn is great stuff i buy whats on sale why ive tried most of them seems they are the same oil wieght 20-50 seems better 4 me or order oil motosportoutlet no tax free shipping get that cost lower just a thought....
     
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    Well fellers,
    I am now using synthetic (Mobil 4T) and Napa Gold filters. I'm letting my milage run up from 3K, to 4K.
    Cost about $30, DIY.
    Common sense rules out 8K between services.
    My 2 cent.

    Wish y'all well.

    Mac
     
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    Oh another can of worms -- Ok here goes...

    Some people say go to synth right after the first break-in oil and some say go synth after a long break-in on dino ~ 7500-10000 miles.

    The long break-in camp say waiting will allow piston rings to seat fully. If you go too early with synth, it is too slick to allow ring to seat at all. Example - I have a buddy with a 2V Ducati that went synth after 1000 miles and at about 2500 the thing was belching oil smoke. He had to get a full ring job to fix it. Needless to say - he dont even want to talk about synth oil.

    The right away group says manufacturing tolerances and parts are way better than they used to be and the long break-in is unneccessary. Example - true for some, I think Porsche and Corvettes come with Mobil 1 synth from the factory.

    Pick your poison. Japanese motorcycles probably meet the tight manufacturing tolerances and high quality scheme - so you may be able to get away with the right away switch. Many guys have done it and it worked ok. Me? I'm more the why bother to risk it? I'm in the long break - in camp. BTW - I like Mobil 1 motorcycle oil 10W - 40. No issues

    MD
     
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    If you want to know if your oil is still good at 4k miles, have it tested. Blackstone labs will do it for about $20. Then you will know when to change your oil if you dont believe Honda.
     
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    To play it safe, I went with a semi-synthetic after break-in at 300 miles. I've got about 4500 miles on the bike right now with no problems at all. The rings are seated well before the 300 mile mark.
     
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    Why can't they come up with synthetic gas? Gas prices the way they are had to throw that out there even if they did or already have synthetic gas it would probably be more expensive anyway.
     
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