New & Improved Politics Thread

and yet you went ahead and engaged with him again anyway??

 

I can’t. Have to stay vigilant just in case things cross the line…..

 

what I remember from the first thread is folks better figure out how to get along like you would at a real face to face gathering. Toe Cutter has been at numerous VFRWorld gatherings, helped countless people around here, and is a well respected member around here.

keep fucking around with him and see how this goes for you.

 

I have a little more info on this topic. The prosecuting attorney in my home county just died from resp comp r/t covid the day before yesterday. He was a vaccine denier and just over 50 years old and overweight. I believe (I have not followed up on this, but it has been suggested by people more involved in the religious community there, that his congregation are all or predominantly deniers. I went to school with the pastor there and his 20something yo daughter was dating this prosecutor so I have seen all the heaven got a new angel business on Facebook)

I do not know how many personal examples I know at this point, but it's a lot.

As far as someone mentioning not treating at the hospital, I have spoken first hand with a hospital admin in Oakland who stated point blank that all of the patients ADMITTED for covid and being treated at the hospital are the vaccine refusers. He said in the cases of breakthrough where they are vaccinate teir symptoms have been milder and they have sent them home. He also stated that he didn't know of any deaths of vaccinated people who had come there. (I'm sure there are some vaccinated people who are dying, but his evidence would suggest that it's probably much more likely that you'll die without the vaccine than with.)

 

medical grade masks worn properly are effective.

a dirty sock on a snotty 6yr old for 8hrs appears as effective as political theater and nothing more.

 

studies of real world use has shown otherwise with regard to actual effectiveness as opposed to theory. Now you’re gonna make me find the study…

 

source:

starts with masking kids. 9-1/2 minutes in for the latest study on effectiveness of mask types in real world application (as opposed to theory)

 

I think that the internet has done a lot of good things, but a lot of bad things, too.
For instance, it's much easier to suss out the information you want rather "truth".
In our current circumstance as with many others, I try to go with the majority opinion held by the population most likely to know.
For example, my doctor has recc the vaccine to me. Every other doctor I know has taken and recc the vaccine. Therefore, I believe they prob are following this closer than I am and I have built up trust with them over a course of years.

When I take my car to the mechanic, I usually go with what the mechanic says, especially if I've already gotten another opinion and it was the same. I don't keep searching around until i find a mechanic that tells me what I want to hear.

I guess that is why this outrage is so confusing to me. Again, I have worked in healthcare >25 years and I have had mandated vaccines that entire time.
I was in the military and I had mandated vaccines.
I went to public schools and had mandated vaccines.

I have never had measles, mumps, rubella, or rubeola and credit a big part of that to the vaccine mandates in schools. Now, I can't say that's why for sure, but the evidence suggests it has a high probability.

I have another question and I wonder where you guys will land on this: If hospitals were allowed to refuse service (they cannot by law) would it be reasonable for them to turn away someone who not only refused the vaccination, but willfully spread vaccine misinformation?

Again, this cannot occur now, but based on my experience I am curious on whether vaccine refusers would support that.

My suspicion is that all vaccine deniers nearly would choose to go to the hospital if they have a symptomatic infection rather than stay at home to die for their 'freedom' from taking a vaccine or wearing a mask in crowded places. I also know from several conversations with actual medical professionals that the frustration they are feeling is from the way vaccine deniers are treating them and the added acuity (burden) of so many patients on restrictive isolation. The gloving and gowning that goes on for med professionals treating these people is quite a bit more than standard precautions.

Oh, fun fact, covid deaths just passed the 1918 flu pandemic. Winning!

Anyway, I know none of us are changing anyone's mind on this so just think of this as me saying WTF.