vtec vs non-vtec

own both:
VTEC is a EPA induced, less fuel, cut down on power short comming, to keep the EPA/Commiefornia happy semi sportbike motor, period !:closed_2:

Non-VTEC is a true performance through out the RPM's sport bike motor, period :closed_2:


if you want true secondary performance in upper RPM's is called "TURBO CHARGED" or the Bottle !:madgrin:

reason why the bulk on here want a upgraded VFR 1000 to a "NON"-VTEC, "gear cam driven" Sport Tourer or Sport Bike:biggrin: .

why pay for performance & get only half of it :frusty:

if I want gas miser, I'll buy a Honda Civic with VTEC :wink:

 

So let me get this straight. The EPA took time away from the green house problem & industural polution among other things just to pick on one single bike. The Evil Interceptor! Give me a BREAK! Anyone who knows anything about the Interceptor understands that over most of the 25 years it has been Honda's Flag Ship for new technology & at this time the VTEC in a bike is just that. No Conspiracy Here.

 

That and the interceptor was never the first bike to have V-tec. Believe me (or not) CB400's were running around in Japan with V-tec long before the 6th gen Interceptor was ever dreamed of. The engine of the Interceptor was meant to be green, like it or not. EFI and the ignition have both been screwed with to reduce emissions. Then Honda struggled to make it enjoyable. My VF500c pulls better from down low than my 06. If I'm below 3,000 and running slow, rolling on the gas just gets me pinging from the valves and chattering/stumbling from the engine. Not from my VF500- I could be at the bottom of a hill in 3rd at 2K rpm's and accelerate up the hill. My VFR acts like a inline 600 at low rpm's, but without the seamless power. I have to down shift on the VFR. Riding a different bike everyday highlights the 06 VFR's woes. Riding older ancestor's (VF500C, VF750S) really highlights the difference in drive-ability.
Besides, why did they need to do all this super low emissions crap to motorcycles anyway?! Read what the EPA had to say about motorcycle emissions-
"Motorcycles currently account for 0.6 percent
of mobile-source hydrocarbon (HC) emissions, 0.1 percent of mobilesource
oxides of nitrogen (NOx) emissions, and less than 0.1 percent of
mobile-source particulate matter (PM) emissions. The highway motorcycle
standards will reduce the combined emissions of HC and NOx in
the exhaust by 50 percent. Without these further regulations, highway
motorcycles would account for 2.2 percent of mobile source HC and 0.3
percent of mobile source NOx by 2020."

Motorcycles won't even add up to 5% overall emissions by 2020 if they had not incorporated the new emissions standard. :frusty: seems like they could do better by actively pursueing gross polluters than engaging efficient transportation with overbearing standards. now where's my flame thrower.............................................

 

I abslutly love my vtec. It is like having two engines in one.


Contrary to what the nay sayers believe the transition is no problem. You cant hammer the throttle while leaned over and go thru the vtec transition and not upset the rear tire or chassis at all.

It's all a myth.

 

& Dorathy said, There's no place like Home, no place like Home

Wake up man, your dreaming

Oh & not one single bike, but Honda itself, because of it's size & influence on the industry, & you are right on the VFR as the flagship(why not pick the highest tech sport bike & see what you can do to it), but wrong reason, as it has went from Cutting edge sport bike "to" the flagship of low emissions technology that will eventually end up in all bikes .
besides you said it best in your quote of - over "MOST" of it's years !

MellowDude & goinphaster, pretty much nailed it, were waiting for your reply

 

I think we are getting away from the point.... Its not about why vtech exists its if people like it or not and thats obviously divided into who owns what. As far as horror stories I think we can dispell that myth of all the people crashing mid corner because vtech kicked in. It isn't rediculously expensive to service, try servicing a BMW or Ducati for a few years.... and it doesn't hurt performance, it does have a different character from it and a different sound too. Plus, the VFR hasn't been a race bike for years!!! Its not going there, thats why we own them. At least thats why I own mine.... I traded a CBR for this type of bike. It does it all and doesn't ask much in return as far as compromises. As far as flagship technology, Vtech was an answer for Honda in the early 2000s to keep a design "green" for the future while still providing the performance people expect. I don't see it as a bad thing and I don't think its going away. The next version will probably be more like the Concours system and it will continually be developed but not until Honda wrings every last bit of longevity(profit) through sales out of this generation that has probably financed the bikes in the replica market for at least a few years. The Anniversary model seemed to sell well and Honda will continue with this just like the ST and the Wing until it outlives its usefulness.

 

True and not quite true for the same reason, if you look at any Dyno chart of a stock Gen 6 you'll see that the torque curve dips slightly just prior to VTec engagement, no instant jump in HP when it goes 2 to 4 valves more a slight drop and normalise, some folks dial the dip out with a PC3.

While no issue in a straight line and not in anyway dangerous in corners the Vtec action annoyed me enough to ride around it and staying above 7000rpm through the twisties.

 

I've heard this mentioned before and although the dyno might show it, it is not at all noticeable or detectable when going through the gears. In other words, in the real world, you'd never even know it was there. From my experience, it is a non-issue and I would not be concerned about it if one is looking to buy a 6th Gen.

 

You may well be right, my Gen 6 was an '03 model and Honda is said to have dropped the activation Rev's and smoothed out the VTech engagment in the Gen6 Mk3 update in '06 and as is consistantly my stance believe the Gen 6 my perfect Sports tourer in every other area. ( and now waiting anxiously for MD to chime in on where the Capital should be :biggrin:...:smile: )

 

It's true the change was noticable on earlier Gen6 models, i had an '02 before i bought my new one this year and its a helluva lot smoother than it used to be. Other point is that once you're accelerating up to those speeds, with the revs where they are, (6500 - 7000, seems to vary for people), you're waiting for it to kick in, and when it does all i can think of is NYEEEEEHAAAAA and off you go into three figures. Yummy

 

I don't care why they did it, I don't care how they did it, I'm just glad they did it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you have it and don't like it, then SELL it!!! There are plenty of buyers out there. I love mine and don't plan to EVER sell it.

 

I compare my reasoning for my arguments to that of rescuing an abused dog. After a dog has been abused it will have some problems that will take time to fix. The dog(VFR) is great overall because you rescued(bought) it, fed(ride) it, and love it. But when you noticed the negatives the dog(VFR) has, it is perfectly normal for you to curse/complain/rant/b!tch over why the abuser(honda) would do ANYTHING like that to a perfectly good dog(VFR). Just like the abused dog, I'll keep it (and love it as much as I can), but everyone else is going to hear about how I hate it when somebody abuses a good dog.

 

im leaning toward the newer one, i will admit though, that when asking one of the mechanics about valve work on the vtec swearing ensued

 

dittos dude du mello

Nozzle commentary: MD cuts through the BS like an LA squid through traffic

 

not a good starter?

 

I wouldn't want to start on a VFR. You'll find it to be heavy. The newer VFRs are also rather tall. Don't forget the VFR can and will get out from under you in a HURRY!! If I were a beginner I'd try to stay under 600cc. As bad as I hate to say it, a cruiser would be much easier to learn on. :whistle:

(Go ahead and beat me up for suggesting a cruiser, I can take it.)