Changing Oil

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    So, there I was.....

    Got all the tools out, and proceeded to change the oil. Bad oil out, new oil in.....pretty simple. Got the fairings back on and all buttoned up, and then about an hour later I got to thinking.....I don't remember putting the oil filter cap wrench back away. Sure enough.....peeped in through the fairing, and it's still on the filter. So I'll go open things up and get it.

    Murphy's Law strikes again...lol.
     
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    Mr Murphy was an optimist........
     
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    Your not the first or will be the last to do that. Lol
     
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    Opened it back up today and got the filter cap wrench off. I was just very happy with myself once done with the oil change.....then to find out I did a bonehead thing like that. I guess if that is the worst thing that happens this week, I'm good.
     
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    At least you didn't leave the drain plug out!
     
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    LOL....no doubt. I did double check I had both the drain plug and oil filter on before I went to fill it back up.

    Just wanted to share cause I think we've all been there.
     
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    Like I always say - "No Blood, No Foul" I have done WAAAYYYYY worse than that...there was this time on one of my very first engine rebuilds. On start up, I was wondering what was blowing out of the exhaust ...damn this looks like, OH SHIT, COTTON!, ah yes, prolly should have removed the rags from the carb insulators prior to installing the damn carbs....It was good practice for my second attempt :emporer:
     
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    Worked at a corner gas station back in the day. We did minor mechanical things like oil changes and tire changes while the mechanic on had tackled the more serious matters. One of the kids (16 or so) had just done an oil change and the customer drove away. Kid went screaming out the door, jumped in his car and chased down the customer a moment later, following the trail of oil on the roadway. He forgot to put the new filter on. That could have been costly to the station, likely the kid too. we also had contractor business, one of whom was a good customer with a small dump truck and low bed with a Cat. He filled up the truck with diesel fuel and when the customer fired up the truck, huge clouds of white smoke came out of the stacks. The truck was gasoline. Kid got sick syphoning out the diesel and replacing it with gasoline.

    I don't recall if he worked there for long after that. I had moved on to other employment at a brewery at that time.
     
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    Hahahah, he got sick of siphoning gasoline, so you went on to siphon beer instead? :)

    But to the OP, I never use, or recommend using tools, to install an oil filter. Find it hard to undertighten an oilfilter by hand. Mostly it gets a bit too tight when you use proper gloves with good grip.

    Also, seen a lot of mechanics use 1/2" tools, or even 3/4", to tighten way too small bolts to way too weak aluminium.. Mostly they try and wrench the plastic engine covers of todays cars to some asshat torque spec, but sometimes they "fix" something more crucial, like spark/glowplugs or the oilplug.

    Common sense it seems, is not that common anymore.

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    How come the service manual has a torque setting for the filter then? Agree with what you are saying tho. Like you too have seen a 1/2 “ drive being used for a m6 bolt. Crazy.
     
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    Torque specs are there so the over-enthuastic mechanics, who found out that you can use a 100Nm airtool with adapters, would not bolt on everything with it. Or...

    Also, an easy way to deny liability in any warranty claims.. I mean, who has professionally calibrated torque wrenches, calibrates them, and knows how and when to use them. Rarity at best.

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    Did that for five years, four of which I really remember very little of. Strange, I can run all sorts of machinery in the bottleing department there, drive fork lifts and power dollies, pissed as a not and suffer no harm. Yet can't seem to ride the bike on gravel roads and keep it upright while sober as a nun.

    I caught this too and wondered about that as well. Maybe the service manual also lists a torque value to suggest to people that the filter is not to be put on tight. They might suggest we hand tighten only.
     
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    I do use a torque wrench to tighten both the filter and drain plug. Not professionally calibrated, but should be close enough to cover the bases.

    I know what you are saying though....The Mazda 626 came from the factory with an oil filter so tight that I literally ripped the end of the filter off trying to break it free. What a pita that was. The oil filter that came on the VFR from the factory was most certainly torqued more than the 17 ft/lbs the manual states.
     
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    I usually try to remove it with grippy mechanics gloves. If it doesn't loosen with two hands, I just punch a sturdy screwdriver through it. Suddenly have a lot of leverage, have yet to find a filter that stays put after this.

    Although, I think all machines should use a filter insert and proper bypass/flowback mechanism, instead of these cheap all-in one cans ..

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    So you're just like me, too cheap to buy the proper tools and tolerant of messes. :confused:
     
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    I'm lazy, that I have to admit. But that 1/2" tool that attaches to the filter can, like a hat, has once broken the casing. The band tool is too arduous for a simple job like that. I find it faster to do it like that.

    Some oil spills out anyways so might just be done with it and use some extra time cleaning everything up. :shrug:

    I usually also fill the new filter with oil before I put it in place, I just hate the idea of the bearings and cams rolling without any oil, even for a moment.

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    Another way we're the same ! Most riders don't bother.
     
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    Yep, I prefer to play it safe than sorry. Filling the oil filter and getting it on takes just a bit longer to do, but is cheap insurance. With a warmed motor, there "should" not be any parts that don't at least have a film of oil on them. So they should be fine on the first start after a change, but it don't cost anything to fill the filter first and hedge your bets. :)
     
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