Who Hates Harley Davidson?

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  1. Lint

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    I agree with you, based on my limited knowledge of both brands. To me, the Indian is such a better looking, finer finished bike. In Long Beach at the bike show I had the opportunity to look at both brands and the Harley just seemed like an older bike. It doesn't have the refinement of the Indian. While I have not ridden an Indian, my brother said that the Scout had a harsh ride. I can't say yes or no, but it still seems that Indians are the better bike. Most reviews I've read say the same thing.
     
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    So, we don't like Harleys then?
     
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    This whole name thing is confusing. The first to fall in the bigtime as far as Indian goes was The Stanford Indian (s) My personal belief it was paid deal by relative, of Custer who were just pissed off at Sitting Bull. Stanford is now The Cardinal.. Let's hope they don't piss off The Pope and have to adopt some corporates name like Trump U.. Some say the Cardinal was choosen as a subtle way to flip the bird to the powers that were.

    Then we got your "American-Indians" who came here from India and became citizens. One dude is even CEO of Google but my guess is he has better things to think aboot than Custer.

    It looks like it's politically OK to have Indian motorcycles if ya buy the copyright even though the company got scalped by HD back in the last century.

    Oregon even passed a law that it was not PC to even come close to using any reference to "Indians". This by an ex governer and his girlyfriend who were fucking each other and everyone on else they could until they got busted. One major holdout. One small high school whose mascot is "The Warriors" just said no. The school is on tribal land and a shitload of the students are whatever we need to call them to stay legal. There may even be one or two of those Indian-American-Indians living there unless Great Leader has had them deported.

    Then we got the Polaris/Indian thing. Another sort of made in America thing? I am surprised a few radical Canuckistanians have not fomented mass demonstration demanding since we are on the American Continent the new Polaris bike be named the Polaris-Eskimo.

    The rest Y'all will have to scout for. (oops!)
     
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    I have wondered if this is not a result of the shrinking middle class and shrinking incomes for the prime motorcycle buyers. The guys in the 19 to 27 year old bracket are struggling with career or college debt at the same time that the price of bikes has out paced many wallets.
     
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    Harley can't get creative without using the bikes and parts they have now. All they do is take different bits from different Harleys to create a new model. Suspensions are Showa, electronics are NGK or Denso other main parts come from someone else designing them.

    Harley seems it doesn't have a good engineering staff. Porsche had to design the V-Rod engine. Also they had some nascar guys design an on track racer engine for them I think it's the flat track factory bike.

    This guy was a mechanic for years at Harley. See what he says about their engineering and the Evolution engine.
    http://harley-sucks.com/techspecs.html

    I can see nostalgia to a point. But a good third of the bike was designed in the mid thirties!! Not much has changed with that either. Just what I want to buy, eighty fucking year old technology and pay out the ass for it!! It's really amazing some of the Harley riders I've talked to on my recent trips and they have all mention how gutless they are at speed and it seems they just ignore that and buy more.! Really, really I need to get some of what they are taking.

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    There are half as many total motorcycle sales in the U. S. now compared to the 2005/2006 era. Look at what happened to the economy since then and the "new normal" that people seem to be accepting so easily. Demographics, values, and disposable income have changed. People did vote for change however, and those that didn't vote for it are incredible crybabies and accept money for protesting because they didn't get their way (or just need the money because they don't want to work). I'm not sure what their way was since their candidate had no platform. Meanwhile, back to Harleys. My 30 something y.o. son in law, for example, is grossed out by Harleys and Corvettes. I can see why the younger generations are rejecting them even though I'm not of that generation.
     
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    If I say I voted can I still get some pesos for protesting something?

    Those Harleys and Corvettes that are grossing out your son in law may be phobias rather than just passing observations.
     
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    Nope, no pay for you to protest so you might as well quit doing it.

    My son in law is right. I've owned both a Harley (gawd, did I admit that) and a Corvette and they're both junk. The latter fast and poor quality but junk nonetheless.
     
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    Even if I join the Trumpbund and bitch aboot Canadians and other people like that? I can pay for my own uniform and armband.

    Sounds like you and your SIL have formed a bondo.
     
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    That a great statistic and likely reasonably accurate. It does not account for dudes who bought bikes during that period and just kept them. Bikes are much better overall and last much longer.

    The question that follows might be can the same statistics be applied to car, SUV and light truck sales for the same periods?
     
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    "We" should really only be inclusive for dudes who have owned Harleys. For us, it's then, now and in future.
     
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    You could have left out that last sentence, the rest of your post made it abundantly clear that you are an old fart with farts for brains. Getting paid to protest? Save that totally true fact for the fox news comments section.
     
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    Bikes and car sales have almost no correlation. Sport bikes are generally bought with disposable income. Cars are necessary transportation. The average life of a car on the road is at an all time high.

    The statistic on bike sales is accurate and came from the local owner of a manufacturing company that I am friends with that makes a brand of sport bike accessories. The brand name is one everyone here would recognize. He has a keen interest in knowing these numbers. He has thrived anyway during the "new normal economy" (it sucks due to a past administration that was unfriendly to capitalism and free enterprise) through innovation and a reputation of quality second to none. If people are keeping bikes longer, I put my money on the fact that they aren't spending as much money and bikes have, for a long time, been of high enough quality to last a long time, witness the different generations of VFR's still on the road.
     
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    I may own a Harley one day. I may also travel to the moon, get a sex change and become an ardent Trump supporter.

    All things are possible.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzxz0M7Wws0
     
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    I kinda thought one of the element of the subject was overall bike sales? Any form of transportation save for teleportation is necessary. Walking is good too. Could it be said then that bikes as well as cars, longevity is on par? I hope it's not being inferred that some cars are not purchased with disposable income. Would that I had more disposable income. I would be wheeling in a Gullwing Mercedes or a brand new Ferrari.

    It may be your friend is not doing as well of late and promoting Trumpisms disguised as alternate facts. I will not only witness but will testify that a shitload of old VFRs are still on the road. What would be interesting is to get your friends who has all this data on hand to let us know, or as his surrogate, let us know how many old VFRs are so to speak, "on the road" and how many are rusting away in junkyards or have become parts bikes.
     
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    The first three could be OK with a lot of dudes, but that last one would require you join up with that "other" forum.
     
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    Sex change? You mean with a woman this time? Bahahahahaha. (Don't hate me.)
     
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    My friend happens to have one of the best and growing collections of old VFR's likely in the country. Be careful how you describe "my friend" because he is doing very well in his business, it is growing, and if I told you who he was (I won't because you're you), you would know who he is. He's very highly respected from any angle you want in the field of sport bikes. You're going all over the place with something and someone you know little about. Later.
     
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