They got me again

more like reading your post

 

lol that's funny

 

SOW would probably need the pistol. Ten bucks is above his budget for hookers.

 

I agree with a lot of what you say here Deebee, even if I choose to not own a gun, but I just couldn't let this slide - the problem with that cop is precisely the fact that he was trained (badly), licensed (without rigorous testing), and sworn to protect and serve (normal, middle or upper class white people). He shot that guy because he was a bad cop, not in spite of it.

 

Were you there ? Did you see it from the officers point of view ? I may not like how some officers treat some people or how a lot of harley riders act, however i would want to hear factual evidence on the case before I made a judgment. My brother is a retired sheriff. I have seen a lot of cases where a officer screwed up, but if you were to talk to the officer and question and see what he was thinking at the moment the case would probably seam different than you making your assumption without all the facts thats why we use a court system and not a vigilante system.
And your comment was ok until you got racist and threw in the bull shit about white people. A officer is sworn to protect all races of people no matter what there color.
Now getting back to what this thread was about, I'm sorry he got hit, was there room for him to react ? i was not in his shoes , From the video it does seam so, i think he thought she would swerve away or stop and when riding. you have to react first and not wait on a driver of a cage to react, its your life and safety.
And shooting a round into a moving cage while it is coming is crazy. If you hit the driver witch you would be attempting to do , the drive would be done and definitely not able to stop the cage and where would that leave you ? I don't care how many rounds you shoot into the cage it wont stop, the cage will have to stop by hitting something so that is just nuts.


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I was beginning to think I was speaking some foreign language that no one here understood. This is what I took away as the meaning of what DeeBee was saying in that last paragraph of his post.

I am not getting into the debate over the right to bear arms down there. I won't win. I won't loose. I DON'T CARE! It does not apply to me. It is none of my business. That is for the American people to work out and even they won't come to an agreement on that.

I would be very surprised in in any state down there, you have the right to use any more force than is necessary to protect your personal safety. What happens to the moving car aside in this equation, how does one figure that shooting and killing a person is justified in this case when all that was needed to accomplish ones safety was to steer away?

 

I tend to agree- firearms usually just make things worse not better

 

Here's one scenario that you would be justified:

[video=youtube;BNKM4ZJ28wU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNKM4ZJ28wU[/video]

 

I think the more appropriate train image for this thread would be this one...

 

I don't know what happened that caused the officer to shoot the deaf guy. The report said that they are working on a system so an officer will be avble to know if the cars owner is deaf , when they run their tags, it should also note it on the licence.

The statistics were alarming 80% IIRC of the deaf people in traffic stops are considered non compliant and therefore hostile (which is crazy but what is taught to most officers, "for their own protection") ,when they don't respond to verbal commands.
Worse yet often the areas where officers use their loudspeaker to a give commands, are the same areas where they are often faced with hostile individuals.

I don't think officers are trained to be racist , in my experience and this may not be the norm. they often place officers of like ethnicity in neighborhoods, they say it helps public relations and avoids claims of unfair treatment.
Anyhow budgets are tight and officers are often under trained, underpaid, and under appreciated. Most are good enough guys, but there is always those few.

Also just wanted to clear up a miscommunication on my behalf. In the video that was posted I did not feel having a concealed weapon would have made much of a difference, nor should he have pulled it, even if he had the time.

The supporting story however, makes me think the OP deals with shady people quite often or at least lives where their is a fair amount of crime, and impaired drivers. In this case I would want a concealed weapon, given it is a great responsibility and not for everyone.....it can be an invaluable tool .


Anyhow not what this thread is supposed to be about, so I will avoid further comment.

Later
db
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result

 

Thank you for this.

Seems every time someone is most unfortunately hurt or killed by the police, and it turns out they have some disability, the public always say the police need better training. It is hard to argue against that. The reality of this is that the public are expecting police to be experts in just about every situation they come across on a day to day basis.

It is not realistic to believe that police can be trained to that extent. But there is something the public can do to mitigate the adverse actions of the police who may not know what they are facing. It is far more easier to train an individual with a disability, to be able to convey their issue without coming across in a threatening manner, than it is to train police for each and every situation.

I know there are exceptions. The mentally handicapped are one example. But can we not expect that someone be responsible to ensure that a person has a care giver to try to make sure this person is kept as safe as one can reasonably expect? Some people may need to have a chaperone when they are out in our ever changing world.

I am not saying there are not bad police. I worked with some who I did not believe should be peace officers. But very few considering the size of the police community. I have also seen a doctor who interfeared with a police investigation where he had no business. That same doctor sent me on my way with a diagnosed sprained ankle which a week later, my pwn doctor diagnosed through the same x-rays, the foot was broken. That same doctor would not order up a CT scan on my son when he had to be brought into ER by ambulance for a back injury. He still suffers.

We see where teachers are in the news fairly often for child abuse and child sex exploitation. We have hundreds of thousands of teachers in our civilized part of the world. Only a very small few are deviant. The rest are great teachers of our kids. We can take this right to preachers and ministers of churches who abuse children. Very few, but they are there. The list just goes on.

Police never will be experts in every situation they arrive upon. They are expected to make a decision to do something in a matter of seconds while the rest of us will spend days, weeks, months analyzing what they did and say they should have done this or should have done that or should be better trained. At some time, we need to find that happy medium between training our police, and putting them out on the road to protect our families and property. They are paid to take risks, but not unreasonable risks.

Rant over.

 

According to a real study, a shitload of prisoners at least in the County lockup in my hood have mental problems. Bedtime for Bonzo Ronny Raygun who ended up with the same drooling in his soup set of frontal lobes is the one we can thank for closing up the hospitals when he wasn't busy firing the Air Traffic Controllers and any other Union (police included) he and his gang didn't like.

A secondary reason for the high incarceration rate that seems to never get tackled are the rates charged by the County for bail pesos. The "detainees" can talk to their families via TV if they or the familys have the pesos to pay for the service.

Got a friend who investigates the bad cops, security rent a cops and prison guards on the state level. Case loads run at anytime over 100 and more.

For those unaware, Randy is retired RCMP.

This is not a tire plug..

 

Well said!

 

Fix---- bumper or window sticker
I AM DEAF for the popo


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Unfortunately this does work either. This can also work against someone and make them a target for opportunistic thieves or even worse offenders.

 

Ya didn't figure that into the equation


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It's being married to someone with a hearing impairment that I find has better insight to these sort of things.

 

:biggrin-new:the best solution is just be nice-I do try sometimes I may fail but I would rather just be nice!:triumphant:

 

To the OP: time to hang up your helmet--quit while you're ahead. Crossing a double yellow = kiss of death...

 

egads man, that's not a good way to ride. I've been lucky enough to not experience that problem. Hope that you heal quickly, but I've always told myself a bad enough wreck, no matter how much I love to ride, is not worth my life.