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    Is there a difference between 1992 forks and 1997 forks.

    I am finding it hard to get 1997 forks for a good price but can get 1992

    Will they fit?
     


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    According to my manual the 90-91 forks are different to the 92 onwards. Either way, I think outwardly they are the same, just the internals are different and the earlier ones didn't have the preload adjustment. Some also have a drain screw, but that doesn't seem to be definitive. I know the 90-93 have a different front wheel and brake discs, don't know if the calliper mountings are different.
     


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    Thanks for the info. You have just saved me £50. 1992 forks it is. Thought they looked the same as the 1997.

    That said my eyes have deceived me before.
     


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    Reason '97 forks cost more is cuz they're better. (internally)
     


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    Can I use my 97 internals in the 92 forks?
     


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    time for a front end swap...
     


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    Now you have tickled my interest.

    Please do tell what options are available. would prefer a direct yoke swap. I have heard that some CBR's have the same neck as the VFR but that's all I know.
     


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    Are these a direct swap for the 97 forks?

    Honda CBR600F-W F3 95-98
     


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    Will these fit a 97?

    HONDA-CBR-929-RRY-FORKS-BOTTOM-YOKE-00-01

    Is the neck the same?

    If so what mods to brakes ect will be needed.
     


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    Fifth gen triples plus superhawk or cbr600 f3 forks/brakes/wheel

    Sixth gen triples plus cbr600 forks/brakes/wheel

    Cbr954 upper triple rc51 lower triple plus rc51, yamaha R1 or cbr1000 forks/brakes/wheel
     


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    Please explain more in detail which parts are a direct fit to the VFR 750 RC36-II front end.
     


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    Everything I just listed is a direct fit for a fourth gen. The only modification needed is when using cbr929/954 triple trees with R1 forks, you need to make 2mm disc and axle spacers.
    Fourth gens are super easy to swap.
     


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    I have some trouble understanding your bike abbreviations.
    Please explain exactly what make, model and year that works.


    :eek:range: This is the only one that I understand --> Honda CBR600 F3 --> ( 1995 - 1998 )
     


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    Okay you have a 1994-1997 Fourth generation VFR750 correct?
    You have several options:

    One option would be using (your triple trees?) Or the triple Trees from a 1998-2001 fifth generation VFR800 and the forks/wheel/brakes/axle etc from either a cbr600 F3 or a Honda VTR1000F Superhawk.

    Another option would be to use the triple trees from a 2002-2010 sixth generation VFR800 VTEC and then you can use the Forks/brakes/wheel/axle etc from a cbr600 F4.

    If you want to use more modern upside down forks, you need to use the triple trees from the RC51 and CBR929/CBR954. You use the CBR929/954 top triple tree and the RC51 lower triple tree. (if you can not find an RC51 lower triple tree thats fine as I am using both CBR929/954 triple trees right now, but the RC51 lower triple tree may give you some extra clearance). Your options for the forks/wheel/brakes are CBR929/954/1000, Yamaha R1 or RC51. I am using a 2006 Yamaha R1 forks/wheel/brakes because they are longer than the CBR929/954/1000 forks and they have radial brakes. The RC51 forks are great and they are almost as long as the VFR forks, but they are expensive and also non radial.
     
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    :eek:range: I'm a total Newbie on Honda bikes :eek:range:

    Which of the alternatives changes the geometry the least ?
    What about the ground clearance / riding height if I choose any of the above alternatives ?
     


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    Depends on your budget to degree in what your after. For bang for the buck contact Jamie http://www.daughertymotorsports.com/ or as mentioned just add Super Hawk lowers to what you have or F3, again depending what you're after over all. The 6th gen triples with F4i legs is another good and easy option yea I'd love to have RC51 "SP2" legs and brakes but then after a good understanding in my riding and all what I'd like and need I went with what Jamie did, it's great!!
     


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    1. Please explain some more about modification of the stock fork from Jamie ( http://www.daughertymotorsports.com/vfr750.html )

    2. "SuperHawk" Do you mean Honda VTR-1000 ? What year ? What parts ?

    3. If I go with the CBR600 F3 what parts do I need ?
    Is there any change in the geometry compared to stock ?

    4. If I go with the triples from an ( 2002-2013 ) VFR800 VTEC (RC46) 6'th generation
    and Fork, Wheel and Brakes from ( 2001-2006 ) CBR600 F4i
    Is there any change in the geometry compared to stock ?
     


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    Awe..yes.
    Basically Jamie does a re valve and springs to the front mating them to your riding style and weight.
    90% or maybe a bit more of us can't really out ride the front if set up right. Yes there is the other half, Brakes with the RC51 you need to have them as well, but now that radial calibers are out, the R1 is a good way to go. but all this comes at a price. I don't believe over all the performance gains doing a USD conversion as nice as it is to look at is worth it, Unless. For me when I had the 4th gen I had the front re valved and springed and I can tell you, you won't out ride it. Yes 43mm vs. 41mm is a wee bit better, but unless you're a 99% on the track, doubt you'd notice the difference. Read over Jamies web site, he pretty much goes through the process. Why I say bang for the buck. It's also easier. Now for me I have another issue I have 5th gen, hence linked brakes, so i was wanting to get away from them and in that replacing the whole front fork assembly meant getting rid of the brakes, YA! But doing that is tricky and time consuming in looking for what works, so I backed off at this time for that part and just had Jamie work his magic Wa-la, be hard to do better for the money. Then of coarse one needs to match the rear now. ;)
    Super hawk as in the 996, the lowers slide / bolt on to your fork tubes. then with Jamies set up if all you got was lowers is his adjustable fork caps making it all nice and tune-able. If I was you i'd just use your lowers that way there is no fiddling with the brakes again Unless. I feel this is better than the F3, those too are 41mm which makes it a drop in place they have the adjustable all ready built into them. F4i are 43mm so you need 6th gen triples to get em to work , from what I know the geometry stays the same or so close there's no noticing. What you have on the 4th gen isn't bad, but if you want better brakes as well then one needs to play with what would work, some Kawasaki and Suzuki calibers as well as Yamaha ones all inter change with sims, more a case of having the fork lowers having the right braketry to be able to swap them out. but for the most part there's a lot of options as you are probably finding out. Pick a version that strikes your fancy and see how it works out, really hard to go to wrong. Lots of folks here that have done a lot of trial and error getting the bugs worked out, so do a little home work checking this and that, you'll do fine.
     


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    more Questions to come.... :cool:
     


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