Time to Upgrade gear...where to spend the $$$

At least eels will never hit the endangered species list.. My Aerostitch is fast becoming pink after being red for years. I am however just vain enough to keep washing it and me too..

 

Those look like good replacements for my 10 year old Sidi goretex boots, I may just give them a try, thanks.

 

And so goes the adage "you get what you pay for", no?

If I go down, the LAST thing I'm going to do is have a conversation with myself where I am mad for not spending 20% more to save my finger, foot, leg, arm, or even life.

I have a pair of the Joe Rocket Blaster 2.0 pants. They look VERY similar to the ones the OP linked to except they're not an over-the-boot style. Fit is good, perforated leather is warm enough when cool and cool enough when warm. CE armor for the knees and they zip right up to either of my coats.

 

Caveat Emptor fits in there somewhere no? Unless used as a neologism.

For overall (pardon the pun) attire one piece leathers are required for racing. This for good reason.

There are disinterested third party sources for the efficiency of MC wearables that are not opinions or the babbling of the journalistic fashonistas. Joe Rocket is somewhere in DNF camp.

 

I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say... I'm not following you at all. Is your stance that JR is good but pricey, or that it's junk? What is your definition for "DNF"?

 

I know.. That was evident in the misreading of my post where I stated:

Kind of depends on how much you want to spend. The Joe Rocket stuff is iffy..

Great quality but pricy

Gloves: Held
Leather jackets: Vanson
Boots: If ya have to have the Ricky Racer types, go for it. If not and for both walking and riding and long wear, Danner's out of Portland or Dehner's out of Omaha.
As an alternative to leather togs, Aerostitch.

Sentences are complete thoughts having in most instances a beginning and end. So let's separate the statement sentences to achieve some clarity.

DNF is not my personal definition. It has been around since, (fill in the blank) . The definition is "Did Not Finish" . Therefore the term "iffy" . Style wise the products are fine. They are sweatshop made gear and several dealers have dropped the line . In plain terms, If you go down hard will the stuff stand up or is the importance more aboot what ya look like all over the road?

Next the pricy gear. Necessary no, and again how much can one afford to spend? Held gloves start at over a C note, Dehner and Danner boots both do not have the Ricky Racer look so sought after by the dudes that wear lookalike boots that are custom made. The analogy being that in WSB (that's World Superbike) the bikes look like what you can buy from a dealer but they ain't the same,

I wear Dehners. Kind of plain looking. Very popular with military pilots who when they bite it sometimes all that is left is the boots and feet, Yep when fly like that they take your footprints too, Current pricing if you so desire is on the Dehner's website and the wait time is about three months for a pair.. Roughly 400 pesos a pair. These same nice folk in Omaha, NE also make polo boots too.

Same deal with Aerostitch. Last I looked even off the rack the suits go for over a thou.. For leathers, at the top of the line, Vanson, Bates ect.

Not everyone can afford this nice stuff. Best bet is to do the best you can and wear ATGATT.


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Maybe you could just make a definitive statement. The issue is not my ability to read, it's in trying to decipher what message you're sending.

By saying the Joe Rocket products are "iffy", are you referring to whether they will fit in because of price, or are you commenting on their quality? It certainly doesn't SEEM that you're commenting on quality because you state "Great quality but pricy". However, you then go on to use the term "DNF" (which has about thirty commonly accepted definitions, Did Not Finish being one of them). What does that mean in this context? Didn't finish how?

And, if it's great quality, why it is being referred to as "sweatshop made stuff" and there being several dealers that have dropped it?

I know you're respected around here for the experience and knowledge that you have... And, believe me... I've read a number of your posts and found them excellent. I'm just not following your mix of messages here to understand what, EXACTLY, is your opinion of JR gear based on Price, Quality, and the blend of the two.

 

WOW I thought real custom boot making was just about gone. Watched their video, nice to see some old school detail. They even wet them and do a 48 hour dry in 115 Degrees. And you get your name in gold in the boot. Their prices are over 500 now for custom made.

 

Your response is what is called in Texas, "Carpetbagger Bullshit". IMO you would be best served in this one to sell or give away that Joe Rocket gear you got stuck with instead of protecting your turf.

Nice try dude.

 

Where we see Dehner's most is on motor officers. There are some other custom bootmakers in the PNW that make loggers boots. Another is Cowboy boots custom made. All big pesos.. UK is also famed for custom shoes and boots.

Yep,they do stamp your name on the inside of the Dehner's. All their stuff I have seen is super high quality. I have three pair including a pair of dress Wellingtons. On both pair of the ridiing boots they tossed in the shift patch for nothing.

Danners out of Portland are not custom or made especially for riding. Off the shelf wear but off a great shelf..

I sure hope that no one gets sucked into the fashion thing thinking that just because their favorite fast guy rides a certain bike or has a certain set of leathers or a certain pair of boots that the exact same thing that is stocked and sold by who knows how many retailers... Even my Evel Knevel cape is bogus...

 

Where we see Dehner's most is on motor officers. There are some other custom bootmakers in the PNW that make loggers boots. Another is Cowboy boots custom made. All big pesos.. UK is also famed for custom shoes and boots.

Yep,they do stamp your name on the inside of the Dehner's. All their stuff I have seen is super high quality. I have three pair including a pair of dress Wellingtons. On both pair of the ridiing boots they tossed in the shift patch for nothing.

Danners out of Portland are not custom or made especially for riding. Off the shelf wear but off a great shelf..

I sure hope that no one gets sucked into the fashion thing thinking that just because their favorite fast guy rides a certain bike or has a certain set of leathers or a certain pair of boots that the exact same thing that is stocked and sold by who knows how many retailers... Even my Evel Knevel cape is bogus...

 

Sometimes you pay for the name, other times you pay for the quality of that brand name, either way, good gear is worth it.
I've slowly replaced most of my comfort touring gear with better protection.
I never ride without my leather pants and jacket, I'm just not convinced with kevlar jeans and plastic jackets.
If they were that good, they would alow them in the race track.
I need my feet to carry me for a long time yet, and my hands for everything else, skimping on protection weather I'm riding hard or touring seems stupid.
I may be 51, but I still like to push my bike and myself, and there are lots of idiots out there.
Save up and buy the best, try many brands, some fit well, others don't. Just because its good protection doesn't mean it has to be uncomfortable.

 

Not protecting any turf, and not "trying" to do anything except get a straight answer out of you. Now that I have it, I can say that I disagree with your take on Joe Rocket. Would I wear this stuff at the track? Nope. Not the right type of gear. But, for how and where I ride, it seems that what I own will protect me as I need it to. Could I be wrong? You bet. Do I want to find out "the hard way"? Absolutely not. Am I willing to change my view (and my gear) if someone can show me definitive data that what I own does not work? In a second.

 

You are certainly welcome thanking those of us who are and were members of the US Armed Forces. Just like the stuff on the market that is supposed to be all good, there are some serious assholes in the military.

Any member or former member in the "two guys (or girls) in a room would" , IMO, most likely agree. Kind of ya had to be there kind of thing.

Would that we (the collective we) could rely on the specious tenets of the "always and never" crowd would be the shizzle. Aint' gonna happen Pal. I am overjoyed that wading through my post ya finally got it. A marked improvement by any standard.

Changing gear is a matter of several factors as we should recognize from any POV. No?

The better test for the stuff you have now is of course the empirical. Kind of the hard way but it works. Keep us posted on the degree of your road rash when the rubber as it will at times does not meet the road.

Just for grins, check out your stuff for missed stitching, where the leather was tanned and if another fabric, the actual fabric. These outfits that many hold near and dear, are run by beancounters and MBA's from Ivy League schools who have Harleys in their garages with lots of zeros on the odometers. To illustrate the point, look up the hierarchy of many of these "hot" outfits and see fi you can figure out which have genesis as real motorcycle folk and which are just in it for the pesos.

 

I second the TCX boots.
The best boots I've had to date in my 15 yrs of riding.
I am 47 & can also get away with wearing them at work because they look like a black cross trainer and not some goofy style.
I would buy them again in a heartbeat.

 

Well I made a small step forward and settled on these:

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-carbon-cover-st-gloves

I tried the previous generation of them on at a Cycle Gear not too far from home, they felt good. As for the rest of that store, lots of junk very few pieces of good equipment from what I saw.

Boots I am about 90% on...http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-st-trq-tour-goretex

 

Over the past few years, Cycle Gear has been really pushing and stocking their "house" brands, Bilt and Sedici. Although I cannot say that it is all crap, the Freeze Out gear I bought works pretty good and has held up well so far but some of their other stuff I am hesitant on buying/trying.

 

So, based on some involuntary field testing detailed in the thread linked below, I thought it would be good to update this discussion.
http://vfrworld.com/forums/showthread.php/46045-Crash-and-Burn

After trying everything I could on and reading endless reviews and opinions I eventually settled on these gloves:http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-carbon-cover-st-gloves

And these boots:http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-st-trq-tour-goretex
Pants were still a weak point but I was going to have to wait to let the fun money fund catch up a bit.

It turns out it was a good thing I made what upgrades I did, like the thread above details I did some involuntary testing on the new gear last weekend. I am happy to say that everything worked as it should (except for the nut attached to the handlebars apparently:grief

I was particularly impressed with the gloves, they took some abuse and this crash would have been much worse if I had been wearing my old deer skin gloves I'm sure.


The Draggin jeans did about as well as I would have expected, good but not perfect. I feel fortunate not to have anymore road rash than a little spot on my knee.


Progressive covered my riding gear very fairly so I took the opportunity to upgrade...having seen the benefit first hand made that decision easy!

New Helmet: http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shoei-gt-air-helmet
New Pants: http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-travelguard-gore-tex-pants
New Jacket: http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-laguna-evo-leather-jacket

Boots and gloves have no torn seams, just some scuffs, so I will keep using them.

All in all, could have been worse. I have always worn all the gear, but good gear clearly pays for itself too!

 

Glad to see the gears work :thumb:

 

That's it then. I am ditching my flipflops, baggies and tank top.