Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel injecti

Help....My 1999 VFR died today...I cooked the battery.
I was to far out to stop ....so I jumped started the bike....went 5 min....then lost power to guages.
20 sec later bike died?
Tried putting new battery in just to see the FI light on.....did not hear the fuel pump...
Checked the fuse it was blown for the fuel injection. 20 amp fuse...installed new one that poped as soon as I cranked the engine.

PLease help...I dont have a clue?
Installed new R/R last year and new battery.

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

Sounds like there's a dead short somewhere, OR, both the battery AND the R/R are shot. Adding a new battery won't help if the R/R/ is dead. I don't know if you've added other electrical accessories, but you'll want to start by checking connections for clean contacts. There should be a test proc. in the shop manual for testing the pinouts on the R/R with a V-meter.
Scott

 

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I added a R/r last year...after market...not sure if that is cooked also...
I pulled the relay for the engine stop...turned the switch on....and the fuse did not blow.....have to test relay...hope its only that...off to the shop as I type.

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

you jumped it eh... not from a running car i hope...
cuz thatl fry the works...

but ive heard the regulators on the vfr's can be twitchy, and with extra componintry it could be worse... try double grounding the bastard

-schimy

 

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Ok...where are all these smart VFR guys.....j/k
Did not jump start it just push.
I cooked the battery , Blew the Low beams out and rear tail brake lights.

I'm kind of tired of checking everything.
There is no current leak.
Did the test for the RR and stator they work.
All relays work.
Replaced battery ...and lights... they work again....
The fuse for the fuel pump is still blowing.

I unplugged the gray plug on the ECM and the fuse stop blowing when I turned the key ON.
Then I found in the wiring diagram that the green wire goes to the Fuel Pump .
Pulled that wire ...plugged the ECM back in ...fuse does not trip....but of course neither does the bike.

So the million dollar question is do I replace the ECM?
FRom what everyone at the bike shop say, they never replaced one.
I hate to be the first!
Any help would bet great ...even better...Does anyone have a bike shop salvage guy that may have the ECM?
CHEAP......Its killing me not to ride!

Ride Fast ....RIDE safe.

VFR Steve

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OK....bike still down...
I called Electrex where I got the RR from late last year.
They tried to help but what can they do after the damage is done.
They said the RR should have cooked way before the battery.

Lot of help that is to me after the:

Battery $60.00 ....new head lights $60.00 ...tail lights $10.00 ...tow $100.00
3 weeks of no riding...AND my computer may have burned out!!! $475.00 to $600.00
Not to mention over 8 hours of my time trying to trouble shoot.
Still the bike does not run.
Can you say I'm pissed!
Still trying to stay positive.
Electrex would not give me a straight answer if something like this happen before.
This does not make me happy. All they can say was send it in and we will test it.

I would like to get a hold of one of these Honda guys who designed the electrical system.
I'm more pissed at the fact Honda does not take reasonability!!!!
This has been a problem for years!!!
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Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

Amen to that, brother!

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

If you blew all the light bulbs, it was overcharging. About all that can cause that is a R/R.

If you unplug the fuel pump and it stops blowing fuses, then it would appear to be the fuel pump, not the ECM. Remove the wires from the pump and use an ohm meter across the terminals of the pump. If it shows 0 ohms, then you have a shorted pump.

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

Thanks for the reply's guys....I will try to test the Fuel pump.
The Low beam blew....not the high beam.

I also though the fuel pump...but I unplugged the pump.....turned the switch and the fuse still pops.

I cant see how changing the RR is going to work but I'm no specialist.
Its wishful thinking on my part that the ECM is not shot.
When I traced the wire for the elec. fuel pump in the diagram it also is connected to the tail lights and headlights circuit.
Strange that they did not run this on a separate circuit?
I think the FUEL is one of the most important function on the bike.
Its not a good feeling when your bike dies at 55 on a highway.

I have been a rider of vfr's for 10 years this may be my breaking point on every riding a HONDA not just a VFR.
Its sad that Honda does not face the fact they need to FIX or dump the whole ELEC system this is how you never get repeat buyers.

 

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>Ok...ordered another RR from Electrex after telling them twice to ship to work address they ship my express package home.

Great so much for paying express charges. UPS will not just leave at my door,but will alow you to pick up 8:30 -to 9 :00 at night....
Just to RUSH home to find out the RR did not stop the fuse from blowing.
So...back to ECM......won one of of E-bay....hope to have by end of week.
Crossing my fingers.........I still dont understand why the RR did not Cook before the battery??

 

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:-[
Ok.....things did not go the cheap way....
What I found out from a few dealerships is they all came back with the same results.
My R/R did not control the correct power outage.
There is a Low and High range that the R/R can get stuck in.
When I replaced last year it was the low range because it would not put out enough power to charge the battery.
THIS time it looks as if it was stuck in the High Voltage range allowing to much juice to my battery and to the rest of the components.
So this is what I have had to replace :

Battery
Head lights
Tail lights
ECM (ouch) computer.
And I just found that my Speedo and Tach where cooked.
Not to mention a ton of time.

IF anyone needs help in how to trouble shoot drop a line I have a lot of practice.

 

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Time to vent...not that anyone cares but hey I will feel better ;D

Ok....things are not making me happy with Electrex ....they keep dancing around getting back to me on the failed RR.
These are the excuses that i have gotten so far:
1. My guy for testing is on vacation,( i wait)
2. We are in a meeting call you back in 1/2 hr. (never happen, I wait)
3 We will call tommorow(never happen, I wait)
4. Other people are ahead of you.we are busy..what i'm in the DMV. MY bike is down over 3 weeks. they have had over 5 working days to test.
5. Call back today was told they would call back in 10 min ...What do you think happen....(No Call,I wait)
I give them some time ...1 hr later.....I get the what do you want look.

Iif your not placing an order they realy dont care about you...At this point I,m pissed.


All I can say is thanks to Az motor sports GREAT service and willing to help also GREAT Prices.
If you need something for your bike I would recommend them in a sec.

Azmotorsports [mailto:azm@azmotorsports.com]

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

Brief update ...after a few more calls and waiting...they are starting to come around.
I just got the credit for the RR that failed.

They are also trying to make good on getting me parts to repair my bike.....That i will believe when I see the parts.
But hey this has been going on since 4/18/04.



Ride Fast Ride Safe...you only get one life....

VFRSTEVE

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

Be sure to check out your stator, as i too had R/R problems up to replacing my stator. It always checked out good sitting in the garage (cooled down), but my problems continued until i replaced it. After pulling out the OEM stator i noticed alot of cracking and heat damage in the winding insulation. I can only speculate that after a long hot ride , the insulation would break down creating less resistance to shorting &/or grounding. This in turn increases the current output(amps) to the R/R which will fry it. I found alot of useful info on this sight and electrex's sight, including some good engineering articles about the placement of the stator in a V engine vs in-line and resulting problems with thermal transfer. Hope this helps!

 

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Thanks...i did check it has been running fine....
crossing my fingers.....

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

VFRracer,

So are you finally up and running again? If so, did you find out what was causing the problem, or did you just wind up replacing so much stuff that you managed to get lucky and fix it?

I was having electrical issues on my 01 VFR a while back. It was running like crap! After going through the trouble shooting charts in the manual, the conclusion was that the ECM was dead. When I saw the price for a new one, I decided to redo all the checks, but this time I did it after cleaning all the electrical contacts and inspecting the wiring to make sure nothing was shorting somewhere. Apparently, the cleaning did the job and the bike now runs great. Honda's wiring harness and schemes leave a LOT to be desired.

Adios,

 

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Yea...I'm on the road again.. ;D.....
Its was the ECM for sure I replaced every else because it was cheaper.......

I did not have the $$$for a new ECM  :-[   $750..00....was lucky to find a local guy that sold me a used one. $270.00.

Cause: R/R from Electrex
It was overloading the system.
Electrex did make good on some parts ...but it started again with the promise to call back and it never happens.

I even mounted the CPU fan on the R/R just to be sure.

I was very surprised that even tho the contacts look clean they are not.
I put that grease (electrical) on all the plugs.

Feels good to be on the Road again....
I try to look at the good side of all this trouble.
I would not know the bike inside out.


VfrSteve

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

hi there biker from uk here just bought about 1 month and just had the same problem cooked the battey and i think the loom and same thing with the 20amp fuse help haha

 

Re: Bike died again..20 amp fuse pops for Fuel inj

...have to tell you its not fun haveing these problems...i was just helping a guy in Canada...I had a spare ECM for a 2000
...Just sold him...hope it cures his problem.
Just hope you dont need one...NOTE 98, 99 Will NOT work with 2000 2001 ....
Did you replace the R/R most of the time this is the cause?

 

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not changed it yet not had time yet. Going to try and find R/R on the net been told it would cost about £200 :-X my left side indicators and left side brake and tail lights not working