biker gang attacks SUV

So who is this guy Kim? We know that all those Chinese guys look the same and now it's even more confusing because it follows that all those Kim dudes not only look the same but have the same name too.Maybe all those Kims are kith and kin. Ya recon?

This may clear up the gunny's confusion:

Alexian Lien, Hollywood Stuntz: Yes, motorcycle gangs still exist. No, they didn’t attack a man in New York.

History will also show that the genesis of most of the real "gangs" started in SoCal after WWII. Lots of pissed off dudes in the SoCal area coming back from the war, lots of great weather generally speaking in that geographical clime where motorcycles were in possibly in greater numbers than anywhere else in the continental US.

I find it comforting to know that there are always dudes out there who know exactly what they would do under the exact circumstances when presented. I feel safe now, protected by my trusty computer screen and Jesus.

 

Uber Gurus rule!

 

I sat and watched the other videos that were posted by the same person that posted the first video. Almost 1 hour worth of additional footage. Also, according to what I've read elsewhere, they did the same thing a couple of years ago to a Prius owner. I didn't watch that video. If you watch the other videos that were posted, they ride on sidewalks, thru red lights while others block cars from turning on turn arrows, block intersections altogether. One day I'm sure they are going to catch an 18 wheeler driver in a bad mode and he will go anyway. What are they going to do to an 18 wheeler? be roadkill, that's what. I do NOT condone what they did or how they ride. But, you get enough people doing the same thing like that, the only way the police can do anything is in force, with a bigger force. Some will run, undoubtedly, and never be caught. Most it looks like could get tickets for improper display of plates, but that's NY and I'm in IL so who knows what the laws are out there. It does, however, sound like they made some arrests already.

Hell yeah I would of put my 4Runner into 4x4 mode and ran over bikes if it were them or me. The guy that brake checked the SUV to begin with needs to be a pedestrian permanently.

 

a bit more, from BikerOrNot

Here

 

I'm also guessing the bikers are lucky it wasn't one of these instead of a Range Rover

The Marauder, part 1 (Series 17, Episode 1) - BBC Top Gear

 

We don't see it differently. As I said, I'm not condoning what the idiots on the bikes did, nor am I lamenting what the SUV driver did. The situation was what it was, and people acted as they act.

I agree with you; smarter people get themselves out of these situations.

My point was supposed to be more about the press jumping to conclusions about what this group of riders were doing, at least on this ride. Also that there was blame to go around and that the driver shouldn't get out of this blameless; for consistency's sake, if you're going to ticket one side, you should ticket the other.

 

Those NY news chicas all have nice tits. IMO.

 

What it looks like to me is the Chinese guy got all caught up in the stunting and was just trying to do a wheelie in his SUV to be one of the dudes.

 

According to the very stylish lawyer who was being interviewed by the NY news chica with the great tits, an editor could have the prez doing stunts or kickin the shit out of the Chinese guy,

What this country needs is a prez from North Korea who even though we might not get enough to eat would stop all this biker misbehavior.

 

Interesting thought Billy. If we had a North Korean Prez. we might all get unicorns too. Sweet!

Ok, I hear what yer saying gunny. SUV driver has to man up to whatever is his responsibility in this whole hullaballoo. I agree. We'll see how it pans out in the court of public opinion, vs. court of law.

Jose

 

Sadly, BS like in New York helps ensure we are convicted in the CPO no matter how innocent legally.

 

No , I don't think that is true, that gang in NY ,CA is not here in the state I live in. I never

 

I wish you were right but this CNN bit makes my point.

Da CLIK!

In attack, can bikers get a fair shake?
By Danny Cevallos, CNN Legal Analyst
updated 3:11 PM EDT, Fri October 4, 2013

Charges Dropped in Biker Chase/Beating

Editor's note: Danny Cevallos is a CNN legal analyst and a criminal defense attorney practicing in Philadelphia and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

(CNN) -- New York prosecutors dropped charges against one of two men arrested in a chaotic motorcycle chase that ended in the beating of SUV driver Alexian Lien. It started when his Range Rover collided with a motorcycle in a phalanx riding down a Manhattan highway on Sunday. Video, taken by a camera on the helmet of one of the many bikers who chased Lien as he sped away, shows bikers catching up with Lien's SUV and bashing its windows.

This has brought bikers under intense scrutiny. But I'll say it: Motorbike enthusiasts, on the whole, get a bad rap. A minority of them cause trouble, sometimes a lot of trouble, which causes an undeserved prejudice against the majority. And that prejudice can subtly influence law enforcement, just as it can the public at large.

Bikers have a rich history of misbehavior. In the most infamous case, the Rolling Stones hired the Hell's Angels to provide security at a concert in 1969 at Altamont, California. A member of the audience was killed by a gang member, reaffirming the bikers' reputation as thugs.

Most bikers who tarnish motorcyclists' reputation commit far less dramatic and tragic acts. Riders do themselves no good when they remove the perfectly operational mufflers from their bike for maximum urban volume or pop wheelies in a downtown metropolis.

At minimum, these riders are massively annoying, and at worst, they are very dangerous. Either way, the bias against many is caused by the few.

The transgressions of a few bikers do not represent the true biker spirit, which is a celebrated part of Americana. Like the cowboys and horsemen of the frontier, riding the open road exemplifies the rugged individualist tradition of our country. But like many issues in society and law, often the actions of few negatively affect the policies applied to the rest of us.

How important is bias? The arrest, and the almost immediate dropping of charges, demonstrate how fine the line is between "criminal" and "victim" in a police investigation.

Bias works both ways. Have you noticed that every news story has mentioned "Range Rover" several times? What if the Range Rover was a Lamborghini? How about a 1980 Ford Pinto? Would that make the driver more sympathetic to you? Less sympathetic? Bias is intrinsically neither evil nor good. It just is.

How fine is the line between victim and defendant? Consider how the law might apply to these facts:

First, in the video, a motorcyclist appears to deliberately slow down in front of the SUV, which then collides with the cycle. The law in most states presumptively holds the rear ending vehicle liable. If the driver in front makes a sudden stop, that can overcome this presumption. But in the case of rear enders, even defense attorneys will often concede liability, so it's certainly possible that a jury could find Lien completely at fault for an accident.
Video shows motorcyclists fighting driver

Second, as bikers surround his vehicle, Lien speeds away. As he drives off, motorcyclist Jeremiah Mieses is run over in the chaos. Mieses remains hospitalized with two broken legs and spinal injuries and might be paralyzed for life. Those are very serious injuries under any civil standard or penal code.

If it's proven that Lien ran over Mieses, he could be considered a "fleeing felon." New York, like other states, criminalizes leaving the scene of a motor vehicle accident. In a case like this, in which someone is seriously injured, flight is a potential felony. So was Lien fleeing for his life, or was he a fleeing felon?

Third, it's true that a lot of bikers gave chase. Was this alone permissible? In New York, a citizen acting on his own may use non-deadly force to prevent the escape of a person who has committed a crime. Lien's tires were slashed and his windows bashed in. Was that appropriate force? Those acts themselves are non-deadly. If so, were the bikers apprehending a fleeing criminal within the law?

Finally, if any of the bikers charged claim they were justified in preventing the escape of a criminal, the burden is on the prosecution to disprove it and disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Police officers have the unenviable task of making snap judgments under chaotic circumstances. They're human, as is their process of assigning blame. New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly says the investigation is continuing. More arrests on more serious charges may follow.

Motorcyclist Christopher Cruz faces reckless driving charges after police say he was the one who slowed down in front of Lien's SUV and touched off the whole bloody encounter. Nobody has been charged yet in the actual beating that sent Lien to the hospital, but Cruz's attorney has told reporters that his client is not guilty.

What would you do? Whoever is charged, you have this dilemma. Party No. 1, a young male member of a noisy biker rally carving up the West Side Highway vs Party No. 2, a 33-year-old dad out for a Sunday drive with his wife and baby. Who do you think gets the benefit of the doubt in a close call? That's bias. It's not intentional, and it's not categorically evil. It just is.

But a lot of people don't realize that there's often a fine line between criminal and complaining witness in our criminal justice system. The proliferation of technology and video evidence has made investigations more objective, but it's unreasonable to think humans can cure themselves of all prejudice.

Are bikers discriminated against unfairly? Maybe. But the alternative for them is taking up a less controversial pastime, and I don't see them trading their rides for golf clubs anytime soon.

 

EXCLUSIVE: Man on scene says SUV driver was impatient, knocked another biker off his motorcyle before attack

 

Bikers in Maine do fund raising for Kids all the time- In fact the last big event any one with two wheels were riding for a toy run, people here use bikes for a second car and ride in bad weather too. some riders in NYC and Ca are just nasty people who I don't want to know. It's actually a people problem not a motorcycle problem:tsk:

 

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That is just fucking brilliant and somebody really needed to say that.

 

I wonder how long it will be until this dudes four hour vid will be up for sale on Ebay. The reporter with the great tits ate his lunch.. Thanks for your vid too I don't think anyone on this forum actually knew about any of that shit.