Bagging on FRAM?????

More BS theory without any evidence of any kind to support it. Not even an "OH SHIT, I just put a rod through my cases and I just know it was that durned SS filter", from www.squidland.com..

We find by the purest of logical processes that seven bucks a pop (w/free shipping) times 25 is a tad more than what the SS filters cost unless (and I didn't look) for Harley's.

Noob? I think so. Real world? I don't think so.

 

So you think OEM's are all top notch? I have a Honda civic. I have always bought OEM Honda filters for it. I cut the last one apart. It is a FRAM, with cardboard end caps. I suspected that because it has 5U stamped on the base.

I bought a recent OEM Honda filter for my 95 VFR. It has 5U stamped on the base. For $18 I ended up buying an OEM Fram. Now I buy my Frams from Walmart for $6.50 each.

Check out any oil filter, and no matter what the brand name, if it has 5U
on the base, it will be Fram with cardboard end caps.

 

I have never changed oil on my caterpiller. He is content with an all celery diet.. We are in hopes that someday when he/she changes into a butterfly it will not be the HD color scheme. I'd step on the sucker first.

 

I did come across something about Honda changing their OEM manufacturer relatively recently.

If they did go to Fram, that is a serious change for the worse mang.

Jose

 

yeah, and that oil filter website has been up and unchanged for a fairly long time... so I take what is written there with some salt. However, the way I remove my oil filters is with an adjustable wrench, so I tear it open to look inside and drain the oil. the Walmart supertech's were good quality filters, no paper in there. so far the two K&N's I've ripped open are good too. (Walmart stopped selling the supertechs. )

 

I think that is cause you are up in CANADIA the home of FRAM.

 

DaHose stated that he heard that Honda had changed their manufacturer recently. That is what my parts guy said at the Honda dealer in Ontario. I suggest you pull your next oem filter apart and see what it looks like inside.

If Honda thinks Frams are good enough for my Civic, then there is no way I am going to pay $18 for an oem Fram for my VFR when I can get one at Walmart for $6.50.

 

One thing about those SS filters. They are a bitch to cut in half. Theoretically that is..

 

Well that explains the Scotts K&P connection. My PC has a nut built into the end much like a K&N but is otherwise the same design as the other two, I guess PC was the only one to get it right instead of charging double and including the super special wrench required to remove and install it.

 

I love oil filter threads almost as much as oil threads. Very little science, shit loads of opinion and almost 100% lack of any real knowledge on the subject. So much fun. They are always good for some action

 

The opened up filters for visual comparison, information about flow rates of different media, pricing and availability information.......


I agree there is ALWAYS a boat load of opinion in ANY "what is better thread", but there is some good shit in this one. otstir:

Jose

 

To the guy who asked where to buy Hiflo for $5-6 Here you go:
Oil Filter $4.72

It's $4.72 to be exact. They are exact filter as the glorious K&N people rave about minus the stupid nut at the end.

And to the guy who wants to know about Honda oem filters, the original VFR filters were Toyo-Roki japan, the superseded ones are now Filtech but from what I gather Toyo-Roki owns Filtech which makes sense on why the supercession. Filtech makes all the oem filters for Triumph bikes and Hondas performance filters referred to as "Hamp filters". I've done alot of oil filter research so I have a above avg knowledge of them.

As far as people running Purolator Pure Ones I personally don't run them because they over pack their pleats making not much room for contaminants storage and plus flow rating (gpm is unknown since it's soo packed in there).

In closing if you are on a budget stick with the Hiflo ones, at $4.72 they are a great value, made to motorcycle standards which relief pressures are often different then car filters.

If you got money stick with oem Honda ones, you can go wrong.

If you don't give a shit buy fram or whatever junk you find at walmart or the autoparts store.

 

That is DAMN cheap on the HiFlo. With shipping it's $7. STILL a killer price.

I did find the sq in. measurements of the media in the Purolator (110 sq. in.), the Toyo Roki OEM (94 sq. in.) and the HiFlo (80 sq. in.) The Purolator has a relief valve set to 17 psi., the Roki is 18 and the other bike specific filters seem to be right there as well.

Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison

I like that Purolator has always made a great filter for my cars and that they also make a great filter for our bikes. I think we have a lot of good choices, but I will reward Purolator's good decision makin by trading them my money for their filters. To each his own.

Now I TOTALLY disagree with bitterpill on this one. I think this is a KICK ASS oil filter thread!

Jose

 

Nice try but if you had just taken the time to look and had any clue about what goes on in this big ol world what you might have found is this..

BTW ,the PC site is sort of cheesy info wise and it doesn't look like they send anyone a wrench or even a socket to fit that nut.. Whereas my Scotts, an early version of the K&P came with a pretty good strap wrench of the same quality as the filter unit.

Another piece of info you missed is that K&P is an engineering firm and sells to distributors including Scotts. This is a version of dealer protection allowing the dealers to sell for whatever they feel is enough to carry and promote the item.

Under current pricing and using my now famous mach 1 91, the PC (I hope PC is not really that PC) packed up and delivered to my door in WA would be with all the shipping and tax rounding off a bit in case you get lost in the arithmetic, +/- $ 130.00 . K&P posts dealer prices and have dealers all over the place including Scotts with several variations on the filter itself which are mostly cosmetic. Prices run from $139.00 to a lot more if you want anodized, diamond cut or powdercoat. So there goes your "double" BS and still missing is a good wrench unless you use vice grips or a Tiajuana socket set.

So did you bump your head falling off that turnip truck and somehow are having flashbacks that everyone else did the same or are you a closet harleydood who is used to posting BS in places where the other dudes in the crew do the "Right on bro" shit.. ?

 

Hmmm... lets see.

1.) Very little science (check)
2.) Shit loads of opinion (check)
3.) Almost 100% lack of any real knowledge on the subject. (check, check and check)

4.) So much fun. (mmmm...I guess check)

5.) Plenty of action (check)

It can have all of the above and still be a good thread. Note I have posted several times in it.

 

Right on bro..!

 

If you had a fucking clue what your were talking about or who you were talking to, I would probably shit myself and send you detailed pictures. Furthermore

I don't even understand your last statement, but judging by how much you try to call others out for being a "closet harleydood" it makes me thing you may be hiding something yourself. I'm no closet case, I freely admit that when my buddies hand me the keys to their HD to ride, I drag the pegs on em to show em how it's done. Then I get back on my VFR and remember all over again why I love my bike.

 

See, I try to be nice and have a civilized conversation with the man, and he pokes me with a stick, jackass.

 

Wix .. nuff said