PCV or Two Brothers Juice Box Pro or 2010 VFR 1200?

Hello all, I've got a 10 VR1200 with less than 100 miles on her. I wanted the better sound so I purchased the TB M5 titanium exhaust for it. Now thinking about adding a K&N (unless you guys tell me of something better) and a tuner for it. I'm looking at both the TB Juice Box pro or the PCV. Both can be found on ebay for $290 shipped so I'm kinda stuck as I dont know much about either. So i'm looking to you guys that i'm sure have first hand knowledge or other members that are in the know. I appreciate your time/help/info. Thanks, T.

 

I am in the same boat as u are. Though i am just looking at the TB as of now.

Seems to be one of the more reasonable priced options we have.

I been wondering how hard it will be to install the juicebox or pcv?

 

try some serches it's been done. I'm running mine stock with two brothers. Where in the gulf cost are you? I burn up the Panhandle all the time just road back from Panama City Beach yesterday. Pier Park is where I usally end up most weekends before I head north.

 

I fall at searches !!

I am in the Pensacola area.

 

Bazzaz far better

Mate the Bazzaz F1 fuel controller and 1st and 2nd overide are far better products than the Two Bro and Power Commander.

Bad

 

88, I'm not sure if you saw my post with the results from my PCV install. Here is the thread if you wish to look:

http://vfrworld.com/forums/7th-generation-2010-present/37122-vfr1200-dyno-results-pcv-auto-tune.html

I'm not sure why BAD VFR thinks the Bazzaz unit is so much better but I have no direct experience with it. I can't imagine it would be any better than what I got from the PCV and Auto Tune units. And as for the Bazzaz unit to override the 1st & 2nd gear mapping, I don't think it's even available yet. I've been on the waiting list for probably 4 months at least. If and when it's ever ready for prime time, I don't think there's an issue using it in conjunction with another company's fuel mapping product.

 

Mate I have used both products in the past and the Bazzaz is better period. By the way I dont think you have read the wright ups in the past where the Bazzaz + there traction control have been used on the VFR 1200 and yes some test overides have already made it on to the street there just not 100% available I hope one of the reasons there a bit late is there re-programing so your shift indicator will read 563456 not 333456, mate do you home work before you comment on other posts. This was my personal opinion after using both products. Since fitting up the Commander hows ya traction control oh thats right Commander do not have that option. Commander dont even include a power shifter option. Hows your Commnander now looking pretty obsolete.

 

Mate, I wasn't saying anything bad about you or your opinion so go fly a kite. I merely stated that I had very good luck with the PCV to help the OP with his decision.

Mate, you have not given any good reasons why the Bazzaz is better so maybe you should just take my opinion as a personal opinion as well and do your own homework. I've done my homework. And by the way, the Z-bomb is NOT available yet because I'm on the waiting list and have been for months. If you'd like to prove the Bazzaz is better than the PCV (which I don't care by the way, I just don't like your attitude), then show us your dyno run that is so much better than mine.

Mate, I never said the PCV was better than the Bazzaz. I merely said I had good luck with it and was trying to be helpful to the OP, so learn how to read.

Mate, those of us who know how to shift don't need a power shifter. I don't use my VFR as a drag bike or a race bike. It's a canyon carver/sport-tourer. I think your face is obsolete.

:chaingun::yousuck::asshat::focus:

 

Man you dont know what your talking about and go back to school and learn to read I explain in the bottom of my post why the Bazzaz is better, but since you did not go to school I will tell ya, 1 they can provide traction controll, one thing the Commander can not (good enough for ya) and also when did Commander every attemt to make an overide, By the way your wrong there is a very limited amount of overides out there being tested currently, I suppose the old Ozy saying goes its not what ya know its who ya know and I suppose you just dont know. I said the Bazza was better my opinion you were the one that went on and on my boy. Read my first post on the topic just go ride ya VFR with out traction controll cause I got it on mine do you, I also have the power shifter its just not conected cause I dont need it. Shit I forgot thats fully adjustable traction control too. I have not even dynoed mine cause I dont have to it that close to spot on it would be a total waste of money to try and get the last 3 hp out of it , I will let my throttle hand do the talking I dont need the extra 3hp.

 

By the way I think the only thing you would be riding/jerking would be you hand on ya little little pe pe. Mate watch out when you got her on the edge around 5000 and the VFR drops another 40+hp on ya got the traction control to help out, shit I forgot Commnander just dont make it SHAME

 

Bazzaz while maybe better product they can't produce.... Hmmm no product no problem I will spend my money on a company that can deliver. Go by the PCV they have been in the game long time that is just my vote.


As far as I know there is only one bike with the bazzaz stuff on it the first prototype unit on a guy by the name of zen moto.


And all the stuff your taking about adds up to dollars dollars dollars.... the quick shift unit costs 800 bills. No money saving option there.

 

Do your home work

Bro Bazzaz have two fuel controler available for the VFR the standard FI and the unit with traction control and power shifter and they are 100% available the only reason the over ride box is not available is because they are waiting for the right connections to come from Japan. Mate where have Commander tried to do that, Bazzaz have gone out side the square trying to fix the fueling on the VFR, didnt see Commander doing that, its a premium product with a premium price you get what you pay for period. Bazzaz has been around for donkeys years he has only just gone commercial, he was behind Matt Maladins 7 AMA wins and Ben Spears 2 AMA wins so I think he knows what the FCK he is talking about.

 

To each his own you can have you shit I can have mine. Mine just cost less and does the same job for a cheaper cost.. blah blah blah Yeah I know my shit I know that they have been around the block. The only product I want from them is the Z bomb and they took in off the web site. SO YEAH they can't deliver..... your grade for this report is a F Home work done school is out....

 

Your dreamer, you cant win this argument, you talk about the power shifter that is rubbish for the street but what you continually overlook is the traction control SCHOOLS OUT BOY.

 

His question was to what is a better fuel management product your throwing extra bull shit that he didn't ask for nor nobody feels is needed. So you adding extra traction control or power shifting features is not the scope of his question. He asked what secondary fuel programmer was better. Bazzaz can not or rather has not proved they have a superior product unless they have a head to head same bike line up with bazzaz vs Juice box vs Power Command.

1.) it must be done on the same bike and using all the same features(exhaust.... rest of crap)

2.) Same Dyno. Must strip the after market Fuel program unit and put the next one back on the same bike I have a one bike rule because of information below.

Most people know that we have kind of found out that no two bikes are exactly alike and have variably to the power they make. Stock my bike may be 1.2 Hp less than the next guy on the same brand of bike with same mileage so agree to this.

3.) All using a auto tune feature some of which will be an additional accessories raising the cost of the unit in price.

If the difference is not more than .2 hp per XX dollar than your statement of who is better is now quantified that the product you state is superior.

Until you do you selling opinions.

YOU made the claim bazzaz is better. Obligation is on you to prove the point though quantifiable results.
If you so choose to take this on you could have a very good motorcycle article that would have a high probability of getting published. The more data you record the more accurate and credit you build with you reading base and it validates your Statement. Didn't they teach you that is how science works?


We good now BRO, ? MATE? HOMMIE?


Your basing your superior product based off of options only and the only thing he asked about was fueling. Now ask your self and validate based off some of the criteria above and you would find and be able to sort based off of what wins in all cells of data collected. examples of some cells could include (HP, Fuel Mileage, cost, ease of installation many different test and determinations can be made.) Putting a score point system then totaling at the end would prove the winner, much like they do in bike shoot outs.

Tell then, all your talk is just rambling on I think this,I think that.

I do concede that Bazzaz has more options but that is not grounds for better product just more options is all.

 

I dont know what drugs your on but a product with more options would have to be better. You missed the boat LONG LIVE POWER COMMANDER. Hey got some bad news for ya you wont be using the over ride box with your pussy commander. You have to use the Bazzaz F1 controler to make it work and vise versa, thats why its taken so long they reprogramed every box. Now Im crying for you and I feel sorry for you also. Make sure you going running to Bazzaz and tell them there product is crap.

 

I'm just out to annoy you because I know I can. Long live Pussy Commander.

 

I have been annoying you since the post began, make sure you try and fit your overide to your pussy commander might get a shock ha ha looser.

 

Dude you don't even get it I didn't say I wouldn't buy bazzaz I just said they can't deliver on the product I want.... Which you couldn't handle you are much like a child in your arguments. You can't without offending state your opinion with respect and respectfully disagree you will remain to be a small little man. When you see that in business you must respect someone else opinion and even when you disagree shows that your brain is bigger than your balls. With people like you trying to promote Bazzaz makes me think twice about buying their products no matter how superior they are.

I don't buy aftermarket fuel controllers. If I want TC I will go buy a bike with TC. I haven't nor will buy a power commander, bazzaz, or juice box

Tell you can see other peoples views you will remain in ignorance.


Oh by the way the GPS mod isn't even hard to do I just don't want to void my warranty and will certainly work with any fuel controller.

 

lol this is too much