what can be learned from yesterdays cali multi fatal crash?

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  1. abner malidy

    abner malidy New Member

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    mark it 8, dude
    apparently a cage pulled a stupid passing move that resulted in the tragic loss of multipule lifes.

    since we cant regulate out stupidity on others part,

    is there anything for us to be learned about group riding?
     
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    Sadly it does not sound like much could have been done by the riders to avoid this mess.
     
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    Just great. This is what I've read so far. A drunk driver who will not be held responsible because a hit and run driver drove recklessly, made a dangerous pass, ran him off the road, and he crashed into the riders, killing four and killing one of his passengers. Maybe he could have avoided hitting the riders had he been sober? Sickening.
     
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    How, Sad. !!!! How tragic! Bottom line: we are all subject to the human weakness of others. Ride vigilantly and pray unceaseingly
     
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    Did you find out if they were Harley riders? They seem to always be riding in a big pack and going 5 under the speed limit (just to be obnoxious I would guess). More than often when I catch up to them I have to blow the whole pack since I don't trust their riding ability if I cut in and out or work my way through.

    I've ridden a couple times with Harley groups and they always ride that way. I've chewed them out for it but they don't learn. I always tell the guys that I ride with that if cars catch up (doesn't happen often), to spread out and let them through.
     
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    ^^ on that note

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  7. Metallican525

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    Dude, really, unfuckin called for. Yeah, a lot of Harleydoods ride in large packs at less than the speed limit. Is it smart, hell no. Do they deserve to be KILLLED by a drunk for it, um, NO. You are entitled to your opinion, and I don't really disagree with you about ANYBODY (not just HD) going under the speed limit on the highway, it's obnoxious. Simple facts here is that 5 riders (four and a pillion) are dead because SOMEONE ELSE was driving like shit. I don't think they were "targeted" on HD, coulda just as easily been a pack of sportbikes, or you, or me on the road flying solo.
     
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    What we have learned hopefully is that all the evidence and forensics are not in yet and in the "comments" section of the main news article on MSNBC there are a whole shitload of experts who have "been riding "fill in the blank" years, and know exactly what happened.

    Just because they weren't there doesn't mean a thing.
     
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    Boy are you off base. The point that I was making is that by riding in a large pack they prompted that driver to make a bad decision to pass the whole group. Did I say that it was their fault, no.

    I don't care if you are a sportbiker riding too fast around a curve or a slow cruiser rider. You have to realize that your actions have implications.

    So take that and stick it where the sun doesn't shine!
     
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    Yes Mike, you are correct, I completely missed your point. All I got from your post was that it was obviously the riders fault for riding together in a pack (usually a safer way to ride). Nobody "prompted" Mr Civic to make an unsafe pass in opposing traffic, forcing another driver off the road, except for Mr Civic. I've ridden in many a pack and 12 does not at all qualify as "large". 12 bikes is about the same size as your average 18 wheeler, also known for going relatively slow as compared to other traffic. Had Mr. Civic decided to pass an 18 wheeler instead of a pack of bikes this accident would have ended much differently, with dead people in a squished Avenger. Would that have made the driver of the 18 wheeler need to evaluate his actions and their implications as well, or does it only apply to people riding their motorcycles too slowly for Mr. Civic?

    BTW, what exactly would you like me to stick into a cave where the sunlight does not reach???? Or were you speaking of great ocean depths where no natural light can get because of all the water above. I will need some clarification of what and where you would like things stuck..............
     
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    Now if we could only get this thread to take in the helmet laws, tiered licensing, Honda's seeming unresponsiveness to the US market, and which oil to use, the circle will be complete.


    I appreciate your intent Abner, but I'm sincerely not sure if it is ever possible to herd cats and get any type of biker to really perform in some type of "safe" manner when in a group, too many variables in the form of squirrelbait types that ride, especially on the street.

    My advice, either ride alone, or get so far ahead or behind them that this type of thing is not so much a factor.

    Barring that, keep your group size small, and limited to those you know.

    Unless of course you're a total one percenter badass, at which point you can do whatever the hell you want, since you live by the sword and all that rot.
     
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    I believe Ia Mike has a point.
    No, it is not the riders' fault, but...

    We all have learned to do certain things to anticipate and avoid idiot cagers and their murderous driving habits. The slow cruiser flotillas could do the same.
    The guy who made the dangerous pass was at fault. The drunk driver was at fault. But if the group of bikes had allowed traffic to pass, none of this would have happened.

    Rest in Peace, fellow riders.
    Rot in Hell, Stupid Cagers.
     
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    I don't recall ever being passed. If so, it was on a rare occasion. To me, part of the fun of riding is passing everything in sight, when safe to do so. (Now I'm in for it.)
    :popcorn:
     
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    I live in an area of very dense population and traffic, I get passed all the time. Sometimes cause I'm just not in that big of a hurry to find my next speeding violation, sometimes by other squids, on both two and four wheels. Most of the time I let cagers go by with out problem, some of them want to ride RIGHT NEXT to me and stare at the bike/"race" me. I rarely get into speed competitions with cagers, it's not hard to do the math and figure out that I'm gonna win anyway. This is not to say I haven't done it, but it is stupid. Most cagers that act like they wanna race just wanna see/hear me get on it and then they're done, usually catching back up to give me a quick thumbs up. Passing everything in sight is a grand feeling though isn't it!!
     
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    I had a Porsche Carrera in front of me at a stop light yesterday afternoon on a limited access section of a highway. He saw me in his rear view and gave me that "I'm gonna dust you" look. He took off, I immediately pulled around him and blasted right by him leaving him far behind. I guess he gave up. He must not know how to drive that thing. It seems to me he should have beaten me.

    I know I should know better, God knows I'm already older than dirt, but sometimes I just can't help myself. Never could. It's just too damned much fun. Not trying to justify my actions, just being honest. I know it will catch up with me eventually.
     
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    Sounds like you were the only one who knew it was a race :) Happens to me too.

     
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    The driver was released today, no alcohol found in his system, no charges. "He's a victim just like we are.." said the m/c group president. And to be clear, the 5th person who died in this accident was the passenger in the Dodge, who was his wife.
     
  19. IA-Mike

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    You got my point. I was responding to the title of the thread about what we can learn. I remember from my drivers ed (I think they still do that don't they?) that it doesn't do any goood to be dead right.

    If you ride a bike it helps to be conspicuous. If you ride in a group you should spread out to let others pass.

    Yes, the guy that made the pass caused the accident, the other car driver probably tried to get back on the pavement before slowing down and lost contol. But maybe if the parade had left some space the first car could have worked through the group.

    I'm just passing on my observations from seeing this type of riding.
     
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    I hope they find the civic driving and nail his ass to the wall...We had something like that happen here in PA not too long ago. A impatient taxi driver pulled out in front of three harleys that had double pillions and ended up killing all but one. The sole survivor is pretty much a breathing vegetable.
     
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