Rojo's for sell

:caked: A guy brought in a limited addition BMW Montuak and asked for a pretty reasonable trade in on a VRod. Our F&I guy called several wholesalers and no one would buy it at any price. When I protested that it was worth at least$7K, I was advised that if I wanted to make the trade at $7K I'd have to buy it. I actually debated buying it, but as I have blasphemed, I have 2 many bikes.

I stand by my statement that Japanese and BMW wholesale value is way underpriced. If anyone wants a Black Montuak at 7K, let me know. The bike has less than 8K and is owned by the B'ham area D.A.

PS Badass RoadKing RW

Also Zona, I'm not trying to impress shit. This is merely a small part of my life. As Will Rogers said, it ain't bragging if it's true. I'm a big fish in a small pond, but I've chosen to devote my life to motorcycling. If this seems like bragidosio to you, get a life of your own. Matt Chambers has just relocated Confederate to Birmingham and Accurate (Dothan) is beginning to build the new Crocker engine. We have a tremendous motorcycle revolution going on here, come check it out. Compared to many of my peers, I feel like a lightweight, but I guess that it's all relative.

 

Spike -
We do agree! The Multistrada IS fugly!

What I took issue with was the broad message that H-Ds are unreliable. It's just not true.

Here's a link to J D Power. Check it out.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/motorcycles

Neither Harley, or Buell, finished last.

If you make me, I'll go get excerpts from Motorcyclist and Cycle World. Most of us are all reading the same rags, and these guys are saying nothing about reliability problems.

You wouldn't hesitate to jump on a 'wing for a cross country run. I wouldn't hesitate to jump on an Ultra for a cross country run.

At the end, we'd both arrive just fine. See what I mean?

 

All BS aside, I'd love to have any bike. If I could find a 2 stroke Puch/Allstate I'd buy it, or a NSU SuperMax for parts. As for a Confederate, the new Wraith is pretty cool, but I'm running out of $$!

I didn't ask Berry how much the new Crocker would cost, but it will probably make the Confederate look like a bargain.

 

I wish I had a photo of my ancient Sportster! Muy cool.

 

The only Harley riders I have a problem with are the ones who think that their bike is better than my Valk or VFR because they paid so much more money for their Harley. If I wanted a harley, I could pay cash tomorrow for one and it wouldnt hurt financially. To be honest, the last two bikes in the world I would consider buying are Harley and Buell. Btw, I'm very loyal when it comes to buying American cars/trucks. I can't understand why someone would buy a Titan or Tundra when Ford, GM and Dodge make great products-support American when the products are even close to competative in quality and price-Harley and Buell ain't.

 

Hell Chesthing, I'd love to have that Valk as well. I'm 5'8" with gimpy knees and they're a bit much for me.

I can get a GL1200 (naked) and I think that it would make a great psuedo Valk;however, I'm not prepared to spend the kind of money it would take.

There's a local guy who has a black Valk with a Marilyn Monroe motife that is too cool. The stragically placed rose makes everyone do a double-take! It's been in several mags.

I've just exited a 30 year career in Material Handling Engineering. The Titan is made in Canton , MS; theToyota in Ohio (engine-Huntsville AL) and both have pretty high domestic content. Lots of $ generated for US economy and stockholders.I've made a lot of my living from auto manufacturers. Mercedes, Renosol (Hyundai tier 1) and ZF paid my bills for the last 2 years. Lot's of Alabamians making a living wage due to Mercedes, ZF, Honda, Toyota,and Hyundai. That's pretty American to me.

 

Yeah, the Valk is a bit much when you sit on it but once you get going it's effortless. I'm only 5'10 180 lbs and with the wife on the back it's a lot of weight to peddle around parking lots. No drops so far in 5 years, thank god cause I dont know if I could pick it back up!

 

Isn't the new Tundra made in TX?

 

Yeah, I'm sure that makes the thousands of Ford employees recently laid off feel much better.

 

Hey, I don't care where it is made. I have no problem buying the Tundra -- whether it were made here or overseas.

And there were a lot of pretty generous buyouts at GM and Ford, not layoffs.

And the people who are now working at the new factory, probly cheer it on.

 

I'm not gonna get in a flame war on this subject. If you feel it's perfectly acceptable to be one of these people who drive around in a Tundra with an American flag bumper sticker on the back then do it. Just be aware there a LOT of people like me who see hypocrisy there. Not that I'm white trash enough to kick one of the taillights out or anything, but it does rub the wrong way.
Btw most of those payoffs were nothing more than a helping push out the door toward some other career - they are very much dwarfed by the lost pensions, health care and salaries they thought were secure.
Up till the early 90's I felt just like you, and still do about Harleys - buy foreign because they are much better and cheaper, but I'm very proud of the strides American vehicles have made. Im on my second vehicle with the Chevy vortech engine and I can tell you it's nothing short of brilliant.

 

Everyone can thank NO ONE OTHER THAN THE UAW for the state of the American auto industry.

KC-10 FE out...
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This is diffently a tough subject and if we ever had a thread on American vs. Japanese cars I think it would probable get out of hand. I think the Japanese cars are still superior on the overall package because it seems that on the American cars the little things seem to go wrong, the Americans have diffently closed the gap on the engines.

As of right now I own 100% American made and American owned cars, 4 wheel drive Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Ford company owned car with 1400 miles that has been giving me trouble on the little things...

 

I don't remember saying anything about a bumber sticker in any of my posts

What is the supposed hypocrisy I have commited?

some of the payoffs were substantial in size for the work being done, given that most people, in almost any other industry would have merely been given a pink slipp and maybe a couple weeks severence. You had factory workers that were way, way overpaid for the job they were doing.

Never said I buy my bikes or cars, since that is what we are on, based on them being cheaper than the supposed "U.S." versions. If I did, it would be wrong, in most cases the "domestic" cars are actually cheaper than their "foreign" counterparts for direct competition. I buy them because they are better engineered, and I am willing and able to pay a premium for them. Even with the price advantage, the "domestics" continue to lose market share at an alarming rate. If Toyota and/or Honda decided to price against the "domestics", and they really could if they wanted to, I predict the "Big 2's" market shares would be halved.

Besides, it is a global economy now, especially in the car industry. Of my last 6 car purchases, all with foreign name plates, 4 were made in the US. There are plenty of the so called domestics that are not.

Wouldn't be against buying a "domestic" per se, just none of the ones currently offered. I look forward to hearing and seeing more from Motocyz and Fischer (sp? on both). If I really wanted a cruiser, I might look at Polaris (even thought technically owned by a Canadian firm). I liked the reborn Excellsior Hendersons of a few years ago, thought those were damn pretty bikes.

 

Spike's right about the Tundra in Texas. Toyota is so hard on it's vendors that none of the companies that I worked for would do projects with them, but they generate lots of jobs in America. It's also indicitive of their excellent quality.

It's a shame about unions. If we cold only get rid of them we could all work 16 hours a day for $2.00 an hour, or work for WalMart and McDonalds............ Wait a minute, who would pay for government employees jobs?

If you have excellent product and management, unions work pretty well, but Ford has neither.

 

Spike, why you taking what I'm saying so personally? I don't give rat's butt what you drive, I'm just describing something that bugs me in general, i.e. people who drive imports with waving an American flag or bumper sticker. If that is something you do and I happen to see you driving around I'll think to myself you are a hypocrite, that's as far as the story goes. Actions speak louder than words - it's like they're saying they support America but their $30 import says something very different. I only feel this way because I think American vehicles have caught up quality wise, don't care what consumer reports says, I own a Dodge, a Ford and a Gmc - late 90's to 2003 and they are all excellent vehicles with lots of miles.

 

Guys, a little decorum as to what an American vehicle is. My Accord has 85% domestic parts and was made in Anna, Ohio. My wife's last Camaro was made in Canada w/25% domestic parts (75% North American). My last project with Webb-Stiles before quitting material handling engineering is being installed Dec. 26-31 in Vance, Alabama building Mercedes product (Several thousand Alabamians w/jobs). The project before that was ZF in Tuscaloosa (axle Builder, German Co.), and before that Renosol (Hundai). Kia is building a plant on GA /AL border in an area hard hit by textile closings.

All of these plants are located in areas where folks were lucky to make $10.00 an hour, and now make living wages.The money does not all go overseas. Their suppliers have employees, venders, and suppliers that spend money and pay taxes, not to mention a lot of US stockholders.

I'm delighted that I started selling Harleys and concentrating on my magazine connections, but let me tell you, I made a hell of a lot more money selling and designing systems for Automotive companies.

What constitutes a American car. Does it matter if it's Ford or GM if Thousands are employed and American stockholders reap the profits?

Check out where your car was made. Is a Chevy made in a Toyota plant less American than the Corolla made in the same plant, the Mitsubishi that rolls of the same line as Chryslers in Peoria,IL, or the Hyundai made in Montgomerey,AL (where if you didn't work for the Air Force or State Gov. you were luckly to make $5 an hour)?
We're in a world market folks!

This has sure drifted from me talking about selling my VFR-Good!

 

Merry Christmas to all of us on this post:grouphug:

Rojo's still for sell, but all my bikes but the HD always are.

It's hard to argue with a perfect 95!:biggrin:

Anybody want a VT 750 ACE Shadow showbike for $4k?