1984 Honda VF500 - Engine dies after a few miles

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    Hello to all,
    This my first post :)
    I have an issue with my 1984 Honda VF500. When starting the machine runs perfectly. After a few miles the engine dies and turns off. After a short break (2 min or so) the engine starts up again and runs for the next few miles. Torque and speed is perfect until the engine dies again.
    Now I'm searching for the reason of this behavior. If anyone has an idea - I'm open for everything.
    I got it fresh from the mechanic. One of the things he changed was the gasoline filter. Now I'm wondering if he put it in the wrong orientation. Must it be horizontally or vertically mounted?
    English is not my native language, so if there is any confusion I'm happy to clear it up.
     


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    check for pinched or obstructed fuel lines
    try to run it with the gas cap open - if it runs correctly one of the tank vents is blocked.
    Make sure the fuel filter isnt in backwards, there should be an arrow showing the direction of flow
     


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    Thanks for the reply

    I drove with the gas cap open - same problem. I will check the fuel lines and and fuel filter tomorrow. (It's night here.) Many thanks for the pointers.
     


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    absolutely sounds like insuffecient fuel supply.

    Check for suffecient flow from the tank petcock. remove the line from before the fuel filter (and fuel pump if this has been converted to gravity feed) and see if the gasoline pours freely into a container. If it just dribbles and drips, then you have a petcock issue or clogged filter screen in the petcock not allowing suffecient supply to the carbs.

    Next check is the fuel filter as mentioned.

    After that, if you don't have ample supply when removing the fuel line from the carb (again check for dribble and drip instead of free flow), then you likely have clogged filter screens INSIDE the carb bodies themselves.

    let us know what you find.

    The mounting is less criticle than the direction of flow provided no lines are pinched as mentioned earlier.
     


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    It sounds like the carbs are getting some fuel but not enough to meet the demands of the bike at speed. This could indicate an issue with the fuel petcock or a partial blockage somewhere along the way. Have you checked the gas tank for signs of rust?? When the bike stalls you should also check to see if the fuel filter and fuel line into the carb is empty.

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    ^^^^ That's right: if your tank is putting out rust along with fuel, you can't depend upon any filter to stop the smallest bits.
     


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    I checked the orientation of the fuel filter - this was alright.
    I checked the fuel flow today - I redid the air tube which is pumping the fuel out of the tank (the little tube in the middle of the attached pic)
    I went for a test ride after that, but after 17 km (appr. 10 miles) the engine died again :Cry: and didn't restart :censored: . I walked home 5 km (3 miles) and will take it to the mechanic this week since I don't have a clue what's happening. Let's hope it is starting tomorrow or the day after so I can drive it to the mechanic.
     

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    That 's an air vaccum line that opens a diaphram in the petcock, not supposed to see any fuel in that line.

    You should test for sparks when bike goes kaput, cuz you might have defective pulse generators ( pick up coils), which might be working OK when cool but fail when heated up.
     


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    @squirrelman not seeing any fuel in this line - it just had a dent, but doesn't have a dent now. So this should work alright - fuel is pumping out of the filter when turning the starter motor on.

    I checked for a clean spark plug so these should work - how can I check the pulse generator? Where can I see a spark if something isn't alright? Shouldn't the cockpit lights dim when a spark occurs since power is drawn?


    It's a pity that it's not working, cause it's an awesome bike otherwise.
     


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    Pulse generators are checked with an ohmmeter at the connector plug.....exact figures are in shop manual, but usually run between about 300-500 ohms .


    NONONO, lights don't dim .
     


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    If you verified good fuel flow, then Squirrel is right on.

    You could bring an extra spark plug with you and ride it around until it dies. When it quits running, pop a wire off and connect your spare plug to it. Ground the plug against the motor, crank, and look for sparks. Without sparks, it's probably the pulse generators like Squirrel said. Just an easier preliminary check. If you have no sparks then you'd have to ohm out the pulse generators to confirm them as the source of the problem. If you do have sparks then we could be back to fuel and the problem would likely be the filter screens in the carb assembly. Checking for spark or ohming the pulse generators is the easiest next step.

    There are other threads with more detail on pulse generators. Do a search for pulse generators in the 1st gen forum.
     


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