MORE PIRATES ?? Squirrelman's PISSED !!

MORE Pirates, WHY ??

Don't we have a US Navy??

IS piracy not a major international trade problem?

Were Barbery Libian pirates a reason to fight 200 years ago??

I know that the oceans are vast and wide..... but really !

Does the Navy not have ships, sattelites, drones, helicopters, intelligence services, and long-distance reconnanance aircraft ??



Piratism = Terrorism, so why is the US not doing more to stop it?

Does no one enforce high seas law?? What is high seas law?

Can't these giant vessels "hard-a-port" and swamp these friggin' pirate row boats??

And why are Armed "Contractors" for private security services not on vessels in troubled waters? Whenever a vessel is ransomed, terrorists get millions $$$. Radar- guided armaments could shoot any approaching suspicious boat automatically.

Why can loin-cloth clad village tribal clans outsmart the US CIA, NSA, FBI, Sattelite Total Information Awareness Network Services, Armed Forces Intelligence, and the White House, etc.??

Why can't the US Marines move into pirate ports with guns drawn......because we got our ass kicked when Somalis shot down some US helicopters a few years back??

We know who and where these guys hide, so send in the SWAT team, the US Marines.

Can it be in US interest somehow that pirates are allowed to continue operations ??

Eliminating piratism should be an easy task for satellite and signal intelligence agencies in coordination with US ground and Naval forces. Targeting movements of the "Mother ships" from their ports and "droning" them should be sufficient.

Can't CIA information IT wizards trace ransom payments to holders of bank acccounts ??

THE convoy system was used as a defense against Nazi U-boat attacks in WW II, so why not now?? One or 2 or 3 Navy Destroyers, etc in a line of merchant traders would be a real deterrant to piratism.

If the US military can't fix the problem, we should contract the job out to the Israelis: they'll kill a lot of innocent people like they usually do, but they'll get the job done !

Some ex-military should comment because i'm tactically ignorant. Going after piratism seems simple to me.

RANT OVER !!! Dismissed!
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The biggest issue of having security on a ship seems to be certain ports do not allow weapons. Any ship caught with weapons in these ports is subject to seizure and imprisonment for the crew.
Having navy escorts for these ships seems to be a no no too. Acts of war and all that.
We are still trying to figure out the most diplomatic way of protecting our private interests without pissing off the rest of the world MORE.

 

GEEEEZE,

IF a vessel is being fired on, where's the right to self-defense??

I said i didn't understand..........

 

In open waters they can shoot back. But in certain national waters...No Guns Allowed.

 

WELL, dammit, that sucks!

 

There are several obvious solutions to this problem:

1. Make all the pirates US citizens. Fly them here and drop them off in North Dakota in the middle of January.

2. Offer them counseling to show them the error of their ways then blow the mofos out of the water.

3. Man a commercial ship with a SEAL Team and go fishing.

4. Blow the mofos out of the water and just bag those other possibles.

 

Its called Washington has let us become PUSSIES! We aren't allowed to fight a war and WIN, need I bring up examples like Vietnam, Korea, Desert Storm, Iraq, Afghanistan...

We've become a nation of talkers and blamers and all we do anymore is bend over for anyone that cries about how unfair their existence is, both here at home AND abroad.

What needs to be done is to just go in, take care of business and leave. Wipe out the threat in ONE FULL swoop, and then leave.

I'm tired of being looked at by the rest of the world as weak.

 

Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, tricky situation, both diplomatically and tactically.
Trust me there are SEALS there and all they need is the Political leadership to let them: a. go in and get our hostage back, b. work with the Marines and Special Boat Units and go take care of the rest of the problem. The positive in all this is that of ALL the ships taken over, only ONE crew took the ship back-that would be the one crewed by AMERICANS. Q ships are the answer or the US can issue 'letters of marque'. THAT would give both the UN and the Hague a stroke-they'd be meeting for months!

 

Great point about the "letters of marque", its in our constitution after all. The only reasonable point I've heard about not having arms on the ship is that it helps to deter mutiny. I don't give a crap about not being "allowed" to have guns on a boat in another nations waters. These container ships are huge, and it wouldn't be hard to hide a pretty good weapons cashe for this sort of thing.

One of the really sad things is how the white house is referring to these thugs as "criminals". That is total crap. Piracy and terrorism are not criminal acts, but attacks against the human race itself and aren't to be dealt with in the same realm as crime. Whatever happened to "the United States doesn't Negotiate with Terrorists."?

 

The captain that is currently being held hostage is from the next town over (Underhill, VT) from where I live. So this particular situation "hits close to home".

I agree that more needs to be done to prevent this piracy off the coast of Somalia. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that this continues to happen. I feel that all ships should be required to have a GPS tracking system assigned at port and shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden should be clearly delineated. Regular coalition destroyers and fast attack ships should be patrolling these lanes 24/7.

If you A.) don't have the correct GPS signature, and B.) are not in the shipping lanes, you're gonna get sunk. Tough shit.

In today's day and age, this should not be happening.

 

Hey, Squirrelman! Haven't heard from you for a while. I see you've mellowed considerably (heeheehee)!

Anyway, this country is run by a bunch of politically correct nancy pants metrosexual socialist girlie men momma's boys. We need a real man (or tough woman) in charge who will shoot first and maybe ask questions later. We should have obliterated the Somali coast long ago so even an inner tube couldn't be launched from there ever again.

Once again, Americans are at risk and nothing of substance is being done about it. How about if some Navy Seals scuba on out there, pop up out of the water, and kill their smelly asses?

How about if we impose a ban on small craft and those who don't heed the ban are blown out of the water?

Who gives a damn what other countries think of us? They evidently don't hate us so much that they've stopped taking the billions in aid we provide, and they seem perfectly willing to let our military bleed doing the hard work that they've become too sissified to do, while they stay home, sip wine, and feel holier than thou.

JM(not so)HO.:rant:

 

Well, i think the problem isnt that simple...Both terrorism and piracy happen because of several diferent causes. I'm not saying they have the right to be pirates, what i'm trying to say is there are other ways to solve problems. This acts of violence will continue unless we have a really fair world where everyone has the same oportunities, conditions and respect and other things that make our live like human beings possible, a world were per example a football player (i'm talking about the european example and i think you guys call it soccer) earns millions for kicking a ball, when at the same time someone who works per example in a mine with near sub-human conditions doesnt earn the minimum to feed his/her family...

The problem isnt that simple, and with violence we only generate more violence!

Thats my sincere view.

 

And today another U.S. has been hijacked. It seems the thugs have decided we are an easy target.

Someone pointed out that the French have actually shown us up by taking back one of their ships by force. THE FRENCH!!! Mon Dieu! It is a sad day when the French show us to be pussies.

 

first off squirrelman.. arent we a little bit committed on the military front right now? It cost moneye to use a navy ship , it cost money to land the marines, it cost money, yoiu get what I'm saying... and having spent time in Somolia, those people will not give the pirates up. so what to do. I agree arm the mechant ships..

 

The french???? that fag country full of fags?!?!?!?!? What a shame! I didnt knew what happend! And I'm not in favor of terrorists or pirates!


I just think some problems can not be solved with violence, even if they deserve it...

Something has to change...maybe authorisation to carry weapons in the ships!

 

how about baiting them out a lil bit into intl.waters and makin the ol example of em.

 

So your solution is more big brother activities?

The limitation of self defense is what enables the pirates to take ships with such ease. If the pirates know a ship is armed they wouldn't attack it.

 

The Somali gangs are targeting any ship they can whether it be US, French, Russian or Italian they don't care as long as they can ranson it for money. The Maersk Alabama is not even a US ship it is actually Danish. The other problem is out of the thousands of fishing boats going out into the horn each day which are Pirates or which are just innocent fisher men ?

The UN (again) needs to sort itself out as even though their is a large number of US, German, French even Russian warships around the horn they are always re-acting to the Pirates attack on a unguarded container ship and even then they cannot fire directly on the Pirates unless they fire first.

Wonder if this rule is why the close by US Destroyer didn't open up on the Pirates lifeboat with a locked on .25mm deck cannon as soon as the Maersk Alabamas Captain had bravely escaped the Pirates, jumped overboard and started swiming towards it

Like it, a few disguised fully armed " easy prey " small freighters smashing a couple of dozen Pirate boats might give them something to think about then again the UN would probably ban them as being unfare.

 

I don't even know where to begin on this one.

 

DrewL.

I am not an expert in military tactics or strategy. I am not a sea lawyer or a political wonk, nor am I an expert on French p***y.

I can speak with great assurance and fond memories about the American/Lousiana/French version of the latter.


Gotta love the peace and love of some of those Brit football/soccer matches. The fans in the stands all singing Kum Bi Yah whilst cheering on the local faves and beating the crap out of each other with broken bottles in a tribute to Guiness Stout..

Seems to me that since "we" can sit in an air conditioned room someplace that is 10,000+ miles from some bad dude in a cave in some damn desert, call in a drone loaded with a precision targeting missile and take Mr. Bad Dude out by pushing a couple of buttons, "We" could target the supply vessels supporting the small boarding craft that are pirating merchant vessels.

When in doubt, just say "whoops", "we thought it was a dead whale and will tune up that satellite asap." " Sorry bout that." "We really like you Somali guys a lot."

Then again, I don't think the fat lady is quite done singing..