Put -1, +2 on my 2004; what happened?

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  1. cowboy

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    I bought, from Sprocketcenter, a DID chain and -1 on the front and +2 on the rear. After our snow storm, today was the first ride to work. She has the pep, but she sings a little more once you hit your speed limit. My question is : did this effect my mph reading (if so how much); did this effect my mileage reading (ex: 25 miles to work instead of 20 miles)? Can anyone help my with these answers? This morning at 75 mph I was getting passed. Thanks in advance!!:thumbsup:
     


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    Yes, it will affect both. I would hook up a gps to see how far off you are then go and buy a speedo healer to correct your mph reading.
     


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    In my experience changing the front 1 tooth will change your speed about 5-7%, so I imagine changing ratios the way you did will raise your indicated speed about 10-11% from original readings which are already 7-10% fast. That would be a WAG on my part. Your odometer will be off too since it most likely was pretty accurate to begin with, unlike the speedometer. Since you have increased the revolutions of your countershaft sprocket in relation to road speed, your speedometer/odometer will read fast since they take their readings from the counter shaft sprocket nut.

    You can check your odometer by the highway mileage signs, I usually average it over 10-20 miles. I run a bicycle computer on my bike so I know what my real speed is.

    You could find a LEO and do some high speed passes and see if your speed matches what he puts on the ticket. LOL
     


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    Totally agree.:thumbsup:
     


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    Hey cowboy - I did the same to my 02 last year. -1 +2 with a DID chain. It does give it more pep. Front end will be much lighter now, so watch it pushing out of the corners on twisties.

    I borrowed my neighbors GPS, bought a speedohealer V4.0, and found that my 02 was off by 17.2 %. Plugged the numbers into the speedohealer and now she is spot on mph. I talked to a friend from high school who is now a cop, and he said that you can actually request them to use their radar to recalibrate your speedo too if you don't have access to a GPS. They will just go with you onto an open road or empty parking lot till you have it figured out.
     


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    agree... went -1/+2 and saw (at least) a 12% difference
     


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    has any one gone just +2 on rear? isn't -1 on front like going+2.7 on rear sprocket.
    I was thinking of just going + 2 on rear and staying stock on front
     


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    +2 on the rear.

    I got +2 on the rear, for over a year now and the bike runs pretty good. The front end goes up if you want to and of course you go thru the gears a little fast. I've try -1 front, but +2 on the rear fill better for me.
     


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    Good info here guys, I'm looking to do the same most likely; go +2 on the back.

    To save me some research time (hey I'm at work! :) ), what does the +2 amount to (total teeth count) and can you recommend a brand and/or place to buy from?

    Finally for those that have just gone +2 in the back, do you know how that has affected your mph and mileage readings?

    Thanks!
     


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    + 2 on the rear

    www.sproketcenter.com - Look for the stealth tri-metal $89.95
    stock ratio: 2.69
    -1 front: 2.86
    +2 rear: 2.81
    mpg goes down a little be, but all depends of you drive.
     


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    Hey Marcosdm, Just wondering what differences you noticed between a -1 set up vs. a +2 rear. I've always done the -1 and never tried the other, And I'm getting ready for new sprockets, so wondering if I shouldn't try the +2.

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    + 2 on the rear

    -1 front it's just too short for a VFR, you run out of gears very fast, and +2 on the rear gives you a little room. Good in the city and just ok for short trips.
     


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    I went -1/+2 on my 5th gen and just measured it today with the GPS, 70mph on the GPS was an indicated 83-84mph on the speedo. Guess it's time to get a speedo healer. BTW, revs at 70mph were around 5700, a little higher, I kept reaching for another gear, takes some getting used to.
     


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    ahhhhh.... the mythical 7th gear.


    BTDT.
     


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    Just went -1 on the front, and I am waiting (impatiently) for the speedohealer to arrive. So far, I like the extra low end grunt. Might go +1 on the rear at next chain/sprocket change.
     


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    Hey Stuka, would you let me know when you receive and insatll your healer.

    I'm wanting to get one myself, but have no familiarity with the unit. Cost, brand, install procedure, etc.

    Thanks brother!
     


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    Just installed and programmed it in about 10-15 mins on my 5th gen. I didn't even take my left fairing all the way off. I think that soundmaster gave you the links for the install with pics...however, you just follow the speed sensor wire coming off of your front sprocket to the coupler. It can be a tad hard to see the coupler fully, as you cannot pull it down. I unplugged that, and then routed the wires (this took the longest of the 10-15 mins) thru the frame, and plugged the male into the one coupler on the bike, and the female into the other.

    I used the "precise" method (most accurate way to go)....which means I used a GPS (or radar, etc...) to check how much my speed was off. Well, at 60 indicated I was doing an actual 51.5 mph.....soooo, when I plugged that into the conversion calculator on the speedohealer (Click me) and it told me that my bike was off -14.2%. Programming it was very easy. Turn the ignition on, hold both buttons down...then either have a positive (+) or negative (-) sign for the first option, then put in your percentage....in my case it was already on negative, so I entered 1 then 4 then 2, and saved it, and magic, it was done. I just checked it on the road on a quick ride and it was on dead nuts pretty much. Fast and easy to do!

    I am sorry that I do not have a bigger pic (my cell phone is resizing the pics now) of the unit. It is very small. Can fit anywhere. There is a "top speed recall" wire/attachment that is connected to a button which will recall the highest speed attained once you press the button. I can put this on, but I didn't feel the need. I know how fast I am going pretty much with a quick glance.

    I guess you can convert to km/h and vice versa as well. I paid $109 bucks for mine. Didn't see too much fluctation on price really. The 5th needs the SH-V4-SH01. The 6th gen uses the same from 2002-2006, but 2007 and later uses SH-V4-SH03.

    I just noticed that you have a 6th gen, so you will have to take off your left fairing completely. 6th gen install link

    Right to the left of the (heehee) WD-40 can.
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    That's pretty slick disguising your NOS tank as WD40. How extra ponies that making for ya? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
     


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