fall of usa prediction?

Wife tells me his half year vacation was during first term.

 

Ban guns?? no way !!! I thought we lived in America..

 

as i said. they aint gettin my gun my bow my sword or my wife.

 

doubte anyone would want mine right now

 

Well I do not live in the U.S. but,:focus: catching up with the original subject, there are inumerous prediccions of the falling of the U.S....Nostradamus and others...

The falling of the U.S.?!?!?? The falling of the civilized world as we know it, that's what problably will happen!:spy: Like what happend with the Romans when atacked by the Barbareans...:vader:

Well every great civilization has highs and lows...and eventually disapear:banplease:, but surely I dont think it will happen in my life span (and I'm a kid, only 31) and I hope neither in my Grandsons (and they don't even exist yet) live span, We must have respect for each other and I'm talking about a broader meaning of the expression, and SIZE="3"]peace[/SIZE] for many years,...




Well I've tried to avoid talking about the elections, but I couldn't help...In my point of view, and as a Outsider, I think Obama may be the change...if He survives, and I'm not joking.

Now seriously, I have hope in Obama and I'm not American

 

You seem to have both an opinion and respect. I am glad for that.

Obama does promise change. But so have many before him. And even if he is honest in his efforts, he cannot change the mind of the other 544 people in the federal government. Those are the people he will be fighting against if he wants to make any improvement.

And you are right. Obama may be on borrowed time. As a nation we have gotten rid of racism. Meaning minorities no longer have to sit at the back of the bus. But individually we have not, nor do I believe we can ever completely get rid of racist people.

I truly hope it does not happen


As far as falling nations. I believe revelation. Others dont. I respect their choice of believe. Time will tell.

 

GEEZ.
to quote Will Rogers: America is a great nation in spite of its politicians, not because of them.

whatever happens under the new administration, we won't collapse.
frankly, he could not be worse than the knucklehead we've had to endure these past 8 years.
if we can survive 8 years of Calvin Coolidge, and 4 years of Herbert Hoover, the next 4-8 should be pure velvet.

 

Jackinthebox4... New batter? Can't tell you how flawed I think that logic is. Kind of think I'm in a pearls-before-swine situation. However, it appears that a slight majority of the voters were willing to bet on at best an unknown, based on your comment that anything is better than what we had. It makes me think about having a lobotomy.

Gordon

 

I would not characterize a 7 million vote differential as slight.
I would not characterize a substantive change in the Congress in this election as a slight re-alignment.

what we need is the best pitcher, a Sandy Koufax.
I'd like to think that we chose wisely.
but, if that does not prove out, we have others.
that's what differentiates the USA from all the others.

 

Let's see. The Democrats controlled Congress before the election and they control it more now. Does the President run the country or does Congress or do both? The most disastrous times historically relative to economics have been a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Congress.

I hardly want to discuss this, because in addition to all of the poor and unintelligent vote, the new President also got the vote of the sillier educated elite. My hope is that the office makes the man, but starting with an extreme socialist, I know my taxes will be going up and that the government will be continuing to waste most of my money in providing low quality services with what remains of my money to the needy.

Gordon

 

so, as a member of the top 5% highly compensated, you reap the benefits of a free and prosperous nation.
I assume, that like the rest of us, your past includes service in the armed forces. so you understand the necessity first hand for having a well equiped and trained fighting force.
therefore, paying to keep my former unit, the 3rd brigade, 82nd Airborne, in good fit, you see as a patriotic duty.
thanks.

 

The whole share the wealth thing bothers me. Don't get me wrong, when TVA raises electrical rates 20% to cover "rising fuel cost" and then gives their CEO a half-million dollar bonus, something definitly should be done. However, if a person has worked his way to a postion or owns a successful business, I don't think its right to take what he has earned and give it to the "poor". I see people daily that CHOOSE to be on welfare. I see people who have lived in public housing for 3-4 generations and have no desire to leave or even get a job, so how is giving these folks our money gonna help, its only gonna make more people not wanna work. Too many people already expect a hand-out and think it's the government responsibilty to take care of them, it will only get worse.

 

I am not an apologist for all those who abuse the system.
and those abusers exist across the entire social spectrum.
I've seen enough greedy wealthy bastards playing games with the tax code.
Notwithstanding them, we have a huge deficit driven by our presence in the Middle East. OUr forces are stretched thin.
it's not too much for the wealthiest amongst us to kick in some more so our troops can have what they need.
taxes pay for that, for basic research, for roads, etc., lots besides welfare.
if that's sharing the wealth/treason, then I vote to make the most of it.

 

A 7million vote margin in a country with 290 million people(all the people not just voters). is 2.4 % not a huge majority or a mandate I don't think. But let's give him a chance. He won, maybe 52% of the voters (67% turnout nation wide) no more than the rest of the population.

 

I agree with what you are saying, and as you said somethign does need to change.

gm is begging for bailout money claiming they are going broke. yet their average employee makes enough money in a 40 hour work week to make me look like a beggar.

These companies claim to be going bankrupt, claim that they are going to fold in because there isent any money, yet pay their board of ceo's together in the billions.

If a company can profit billions of dollars a year, to me it hardly seems they are doing bad.

but as I stated before, this is NOT, NOT absolutely NOT the bulk of our problems. This government does not know how to spend money. I have a cousin that is purposely having ANOTHER child because she knows she can get more welfare money. Yet I am considering bankruptcy because the dr. bills are simply too much. The government will not help me even the slightest.

Things are paid for and done by the government that do not need to be done while other thigns are neglected. Thigns like paving roads and giving money to companies that are producing billions of dollars a year in profits.

Im not for more taxes, the government needs to learn how to spend what they have wisely.

The government makes a budget. The individuals in the government who know the income amount, and spending amount make a budget. And then complain that its not balanced.

Perhaps if they would stop taking their cut from the budget it would be balanced.


Is it just me or have we really beat this subject up?

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