Front Page on CNN...Military Motorcyclist deaths

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  1. derstuka

    derstuka Lord of the Wankers Staff Member

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    Marine motorcycle deaths top their Iraq combat fatalities - CNN.com

    Marine motorcycle deaths top their Iraq combat fatalitiesStory Highlights
    25 Marines killed on motorcycles in past 12 months, compared with 20 killed in Iraq

    Top Marine official: "The Marines are very serious about" addressing problem

    All but one of the deaths have involved super-fast sport bikes

    Marines have recently implemented a mandatory sport-bike course

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    QUANTICO, Virginia (CNN) -- Motorcycle accidents have killed more Marines in the past 12 months than enemy fire in Iraq, a rate that's so alarming it has prompted top brass to call a meeting to address the issue, officials say.


    Despite crashes, Gunnery Sgt. Art Tucker rides a sport motorcycle. "I enjoy it. ... It relaxes me," he says.

    Twenty-five Marines have died in motorcycle crashes since last November -- all but one of them involving sport bikes that can reach speeds of well over 100 mph, according to Marine officials. In that same period, 20 Marines have been killed in action in Iraq.

    The 25 deaths are the highest motorcycle death toll ever for the Marine Corps.

    Gen. James Amos, the assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, told CNN that commanders are trying to drill down on what "we need to do to help our Marines survive on these sport bikes."

    "The Marines are very serious about it," he said. Watch these aren't your father's Harleys »

    Marine Gunnery Sgt. Art Tucker knows all too well about the dangers of sport bikes. An owner of a Kawasaki Ninja, Tucker has had two crashes, and the second one nearly killed him.

    "I sustained a broken collar bone, I tore the shoulder out of the socket, I tore three ligaments in the shoulder, the rotator cuff, I broke three vertebrae," said Tucker, a drill instructor for new officers.

    "The worst was a head injury I received: a bruised brain. And it caused hemorrhaging, and from that I had partial paralysis of the left leg, full paralysis of the left foot and toes, and that was for approximately six months."

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    Amos said he and other top Marine officials will spend half the day Monday "focusing on nothing but motorcycle issues." The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James Conway, and other senior leadership will attend the meeting at the Quantico, Virginia, Marine base, he said.

    About 18,000 of the nearly 200,000 Marines are believed to own motorcycles, Amos said.

    The Marines have taken some measures. The Marine Corps has had a long-standing policy for all Marines who ride motorcycles to take a mandatory basic riding course. More recently, it added a second training course specifically designed to train Marines who ride sport bikes.

    Any Marine caught riding, even on leave, without going through the training courses faces Marine Corps punishment, officials say.

    On a recent day at the Quantico training track, Marines whizzed by on their bikes.

    "I think the basic rider course has been great," said Cpl. Austin Oakley. "Here, they put you in situations you want to be weary of out in that open road."

    Oakley said he recently returned to the United States from Japan, and he immediately jumped at the chance to buy a sport bike. He said it's not uncommon for Marines to have motorcycle clubs within their units.

    "We'll go out on rides together. Fridays for lunchtime, we'll all meet up and go to lunch," Oakley said. "When I get on my motorcycle, it's me and the motorcycle. I don't need to go fast. I don't need to do anything like that. It's just being free."

    The rise in motorcycle deaths isn't confined to Marines. The Navy says it's had 33 deaths on motorcycles over the past 12 months -- a 65 percent jump from the previous time period. And authorities say motorcycle deaths have been a problem in the civilian world, too.

    Military officials say they're not sure why the deaths are on the rise. They initially believed the accidents might involve mostly young Marines and sailors around 18 or 19 years old. But Navy statistics show that five of the victims were 25, the most prevalent of any age involved in the crashes. And two 40-year-old sailors were killed in motorcycle crashes.

    Gen. Amos said the Marines have seen a similar trend.

    But he says the new training seems to be working: Of the 300 young men and women who have gone through the sport-bike course, only three have had accidents.

    The safety course instructors said some Marines who go through the training decide the sport bike is not for them.


    But even some Marines who've survived past crashes still want to ride again, even after they get the new training.

    "I enjoy it," said Tucker. "I can actually get on my motorcycle and ride, and it's just like if I were to do bowling or rock climbing or scuba diving. It's something for me. It relaxes me."
     


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    This is not surprising to me, I only posted it because it was on the front page of CNN.
     


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    After spending 12-18 months getting shot at and surviving, the bike probably doesn't give the adrenaline rush it does to us civilians. Then again maybe it's the rush they are seeking. Either way it looks like the problem is being addressed which is a good thing.
     


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    The Navy said in July 08 that all active duty riding sport bikes would be sent through a course by Oct 08. It never happened, don’t get me wrong, day off & I might learn something on my bike, coooool…….
     


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    wow !! That is a crazy article...
     


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    yeah i just read this, they even show servicemen riding the course. i felt bad cause i was scoping thier bikes out and not looking at the accident....
     


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    The numbers for the USAF are very similar. The USAF has lost more people on bikes in 5 years than the entire total of USAF combat losses in Iraq.

    I watched the CNN video. Obviously it did not show the entire course they teach, but the stuff I could pick up in the video was nothing more than slow speed riding thru turns. I can assure you the stuff I teach is MUCH more challenging.

    I love how the reporter said the USMC was considering banning sport bikes. That's pretty funny. There is no way on earth they could do that. I know us service members give up certain freedoms when we enter military service, but that is straight up discrimination. I would love to see the lawyers get ahold of that.

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    Being an Army guy, I am left wondering when this training will become mandatory across all branches.

    Additionally, being a VFR guy, I am wondering if my humble Interceptor will be included in the list of true/pure sportbikes like the R1s and Busas.
     


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    SFPA, the Navy considers the VFR or any bike called a sport tourer manditory for the course.
     


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    Man, that's too bad. Guess I'll have to just take only the Bonnie to work from now on out. Not that I cannot learn from the course. I always can.
     


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    Give it a try on the VFR. You won't be disappointed, and the riding style they are teaching is VERY VFR freindly. as in I have fun when I ride the demo's.

    For all wondering exactly what is taught differently from the BRC and ERC:

    Higher braking speeds

    body position; helmet and shoulders down low on the inside, butt inside, knee in though.

    trail braking

    braking and swerving

    braking/swerving in a curve

    and my favorite: decreasing radius curve (I slid (dusty) the front end on my RVF the first time I did this exercise, I was having soooo much fun!!!!!!)

    If I had a scanner I would show you the range set up for each, sorry I don't.

    where else would you get to practice this stuff w/out fear of LEO or a lack of run-off? at a $200 track day is about it. to date they have only had three crashes, and that was due to operator error. it's free and fun, why not ride instead of being at work?
     


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    Give it a shot Chris. I can relate. I was the biggest "surprise" of the 6 of us that became sport bike coaches. I was the "old guy on the 515lb bike". Despite this, I was able to hang with & in some cases out ride some of the guys on their true SS's. My VFR had the smallest engine of any of the 6 bikes.

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