water wetter?

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    Anyone change out the coolant to water wetter to try to get the bike running cooler? Does it really work?
     


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    I did some more research, and I was wrong; it doesn't contain lithium bromide. OOPS!



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    I've done it but haven't run any scientific tests to verify this. I do know that pure water is the best coolant for heat absorbtion purposes, but we need corrosion inhibitors in our system. Supposedly Redline's water wetter has these inhibitors, and since it comprises a smaller % of the total mixture than conventional coolant it would stand to reason that it should be better at cooling our engines. You could ask Redline to send you some technical data.
     


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    100% water (distilled water that is to prevent corrosion of course) is much more efficient in dissippating heat than an antifreeze. Only thing antifreeze does is prevent it from freezing/boil over, reduce corrosion, and help lubricate the water pump. So switching to pure water will give your cooling system the ability to dissipate heat faster and run cooler. Water wetter has additives to prevent corrosion I believe, and some lubrication. It is also race track safe.
     


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    Water Wetter is great for the heat.

    Keep in mind, if you leave it someplace where it gets below freezing, it will freeze. Stick with antifreeze for the winter.

    Down on the central coast and SoCal, we leave it in year round.
     


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    I used it in the gsxr i used to own, temps dropped almost 10 degrees
     
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    Hmm you know something, in all the years I've owned VFR's that is one thing I have never changed, go figure, new radiator fluid. Hmm is there any other product that works better one way or another? Now look what ya started, I need to research this some more.
     


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    I'm not running water wetter, although was tempted to. Instead I'm running EngineIce coolant. Works hella better than whatever was in the bike when I got it...

    Still gets really hot in slow traffic on a hot day, though.
     


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    Here is the low down on waterwetter. The way it works is by breaking the surface tension of the water in your coolant system. By breaking that tension The water in the radiator creates a closer bond That disperses heat beter to the inside wall of your radator on a molecular level. It will not change the frezing or boilover proporties of water like antifreeze will so if you live in a cold climate you dont want to use it if you plan to subject your bike to freezing conditions. |If you live in exeptionallly hot areas it may cause you problems also. I had no problems with it in my GSXR but that bike ran much cooler than my VFR. The boiling temp of H2O raises when under pressure so depending on what the cooling system for the vfr is designed for pressurewise decides if it is a good solution. I have not tried it in my honda yet because of my uncertancy of this and knowing the warm blooded nature of these bikes. If anyone has tried to use this product on their vfr please post it.
     


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    I use watter wetter in my VFR as well as other vehicles.
    I just add a couple ounces to my 50/50 mix.
    It does seem to drop the average temp 5-10 degrees.

    Red Line Oil: Coolants and Others
     


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    Wetter

    2 drops of dawn dish soap will do the same thing water wetter does, old racers trick, and no it will not sud up on ya,
     


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    Crazy, on my way to work this afternoon I'm thinking that I'm gonna start a water wetter/coolant thread... and look what I find... My bike got up to 205 on the freeway this afternoon. Never has it done that, but then again I've never rode it 40 miles in temperatures ranging from 80 to 91 degrees. When I was on the off ramp waiting for the light it shot up to 220 and kicked on the fan. The fan has kicked on before but that was in bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic. Do I have an issue? Am I worried for nothing? I just had the fairings off about a month ago and the coolant level and condition looked fine. I don't know why, but I just don't like the fan coming on. Will water wetter help this? Do thremostats ever get stuck partially open?
     


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    Hi Folks,
    I use WW in my '65 MGB and it definitely works. Like other folks, I saw about a 10 degree drop in temps. Now that cooling system is not as efficient as the one in the VFR, but I think it would help.

    Cheers!

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    Probably, and Yes. Thing you have to keep in mind is that coolant over time loses it cooling properties with age/use and also gets particles/scale in it. In time, if not changed for a long enough period, it is entirely possible for the engine to develop internal scale/rust, and if you are really really neglectful, it will turn into sludge. Yeppers...seen it first hand.

    You will be fine running water wetter in socal 99.9% of the time.....however, you have to be careful if you stay overnight in areas (mtns) where it might get below freezing for prolonged periods, as WW has no anti-freeze protection.

    You could just try to do a total system flush, and then pour some de-ionized and/or distilled water into it. Do not use tap water....as this has impurities. Then some fresh coolant.....OR you could just use the Honda Pre-mix coolant and just flush and pour it in! Engine Ice is another coolant that some people are keen to as well. I believe it has anti-freeze protection. Be sure to get all of the air out of the system upon refilling it...otherwise it will overheat and boil over. Sometimes air likes to hide under the fan stat switch (left radiator), and you need to burp it there as well....sometimes I say....not always.

    Yes, t-stat can be stuck part way open. If you do the big job to replace the t-stat, be sure to test the new one in a pot of heated water (with a thermometer) first to ensure that it opens before you install it.

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    Yes ,all my experience with water wetter says its a good product. I believe we have alot of data,about water wetter, from posts that were previously written on this site. A few other companies make similar products as Red Lines "water wetter",one of them being Royal Purple. As stated the product works by reducing surface tension thus being able to get into knooks and crannies better than water or coolent. Not to sound overbearing, but due to the layout of our VFR's radiators and the tendency for our bikes to run hot we all need to be running some cooling system helper products ! eddie
     


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    So...........

    So what should you stick with overall the honda antifreeze with a 50/50 mix or something like Water Wetter? Take into consideration I live in Canada!
     


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    Hi CDN Vffr; In my humble opinion, Water wetter says to use 1 oz.(water wetter) per quart of coolant capacity.Our 5th gens. total coolent capacity is roughly 3.4 quarts,that includes the plastic reserve tank. So get your pre mixed Honda coolent(good choice)
    take 3.4 ozs. of wetter, thoroughly mix it with your Honda stuff,then add all contents
    to your cooling system and reserve bottle. Before doing this project, if you think that your cooling system may be dirty,it might be wise to run a little white vinegar and water
    through the system. If you follow these instructions ,you should have a very bullet proof cooling system for this years riding season. Dont forget to remove all the air out of the system, if you allow air to stay(get trapped) in your cooling system,I GUARANTEE IT WILL GIVE YOU FITS. eddie
     


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    One thing I found out about WW when using in my goat. It actually raised the temp about 5-10 degrees. I made the mistake of using it with anti-freeze. Called the company and talked with them about it. They told me that WW should never be used with anti-freeze. Because the glycol holds the extra heat WW extracts from the motor. Also if your cooling system is not up to cooling the extra heat extracted your temps will be higher than without WW.

    Plain water(distilled) is the best coolant for dissipating heat. It just doesn't have as high a boiling point as used with anti-freeze. WW does work provided you use it with just water and your cooling system is up to the task of dissipating the extra heat.

    I use just distilled water with a anti-rust and wp lube additive. The only reasons for anti-freeze is so water doesn't freeze in winter and raising the boiling point some. It also has silicone as a cleaning agent. Not needed for our bikes as long as distilled water is used.
     


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    Same results here.:thumbsup:
     


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    Grey- you say it raised the temp in your goat?? And they told you not to use it with antifreeze? :crazy:
    This is right from their website:
    WaterWetter® is a unique wetting agent for cooling systems which reduces coolant temperatures by as much as 30ºF. This liquid product can be used to provide rust and corrosion protection in plain water for racing engines, which provides much better heat transfer properties than glycol-based antifreeze. Or it can be added to new or used antifreeze to improve the heat transfer of ethylene and propylene glycol systems. Designed for modern aluminum, cast iron, copper, brass and bronze systems. Compatible with all antifreezes, including the latest long-life variations.

    I've used it with antifreeze and it seemed to cool things down some.
    Hard to say exactly how much.
     


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