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Discussion in 'Anything Goes' started by 34468 Randy, Sep 16, 2008.

  1. MortyBingle

    MortyBingle New Member

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    My two main issues when I consider voting is who is most likely to keep/improve a seperation of church and state and who will best defend human rights. Stephen Harper is near the bottom of that list.
     


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    Careful now. Remember 1812? We might come down there and burn down your Whitehouse again.....Radical. I think Chomper is an American in Canadian disguise.:hitit:
     


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    Interesting. We already have done more than most western countries to defend human rights "in" Canada already. We border on the absurd that way.

    However your comment about the separation of church and state is intriguing. I am not a follower of any religion but respect them all. Would you care to elaborate on this point? I may be missing something here.
     


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    Promise?? Make sure Bush is in it please!!!
     


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    Church and state need to be seperate, in fact religion should have 0 effect on gov't.
    I really don't see any party pushing for adding church to state or it even registering in any way. I wounder why you say that? this isn't the states. Maybe i missed something?

    Also as for defending human rights I can't think of what would cause harper to rate so low for you. he has defended human rights over and over and we are fighting to protect those basic rights for those who do not have them. Human rights may be one of the reason i am voting for harper. Dion strikes me as coward who would bow to special intresets and damned be peoples rights both at home and those afar.
     


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    Human Rights in this country were established long ago with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This is our equivalent of the Americans Constitution. This is the basis of our present protection of the individuals rights. It came into being in the early 80's and whether you like him or not, it was the Trudeau Government that brought this in. Subsequent governments have played with it as has the Supreme Court of Canada. IMHO the Supreme Court of Canada has F$%^ed it up to the point that our society has been trounced upon to the point we are almost crippled. Any party that will throw reigns on this "appointed" group of Senior Citizens and bring in elected judges, would get my immediate and unequivocal support. I "was" small "l" liberal in the past but have wandered a fair bit. But the present Liberal Party has not got what it takes to govern this country right now
     


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    Agreed, the judge system is silly and more of a reward program for supporters of the gorvement. any change here is good. But alas they all see to be just talk. again I think the conservatives have the strongest stance on this.(other than NDP...but well there ndp)
     


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    You know, I have liked a lot of what the Provincial NDP has done in the past but never really have thought too much of them Federally. But I did have a good respect for Ed Broadbent. But he is in the past. It is too bad the good people fromt he past didn't do more to mentor their successors. Just the self admiring self serving majority of the politicians do. Some things suck.
     


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    One example here in Canada of Harper's anti-human rights offences would be his absolute opposition to gay marriage. This also ties in the seperation of church and state because I believe it is his religion based fear and ignorance that drives this position, so that is an example where religion creeps into government policy to the detriment of one group. In contrast I met Jim Prentice a conservative MP in a "liberal" Calgary riding who told me he would vote on that issue based on the opinions of the residents of his riding. He proved my doubt wrong when he voted in favour of gay marriage after which he was criticized by by his party and specifically Mr. Harper. Note that Prentice is a christian which makes it more impressive that he voted that way...I believe he is a good man and if he ever was the leader of the conservatives I could see myself voting for them but not until then. An obvious example of Stephen Harper's offences against human rights on a global scale is his support of the US's invasion and occupation of Iraq but I won't go into that.
    Human rights are human rights you can't pick and choose based on your fear and ignorance.
     


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