Election

I don't care who votes for who. I do know this, it IS NOT the responsibility of the government to ensure that you have a job, home, retirement, happiness, etc. The only responsibility the government has is to make sure that you have the oppurtunity to achieve these things. If you screw up your chances at the above, then :yousuck: & I could care less if you can feed your family or buy that new Accord. You bought too much house & now can't afford it? You didn't have adequate insurance & the hurricane blew your house away? Sucks to be you. You didn't plan for your future & now can't afford to send your kids to college? Sucks to be you.

EVERY single thing I own or have, I worked for. I have never & never will take assistance to achieve anything. I would rather sleep in a box under a bridge than to take "public assistance".

KC-10 FE out...
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Canada enters American Politics.

Universal health care is nice....but very slow. trust me. I have to wait for 9 months to get and MRI right now where if I decide to fork out the money myslef, I can probably get one very nearby tomorrow for $700 - $800.none refundable and a tax dodge of about $2.00

 

Right on Scubalong......that's what it was meant to do. :smile:

 

Now there are some people making some good points. I agree that this is a very important election and we all have our own opinions on issues. It is just a shame though when people base their decisions on only what they hear from others and don't research the issues at hand. But this is America, and I love my country any way the vote goes.

BTW GeorgiaRider. Thank you for your concern about teachers being underpaid. But I wasn't "whining" about my retirement. I simply think that if the wealthy were taxed the same as the middle class, maybe there would be more money for our schools. I make a pretty good living and am just another voter concerned about making the right decision for my future. So in my case, yes - Mr. Obama is the best choice in this issue.

 

Where in the world did so many people get the idea that the rich don't pay their fair share in taxes??? From the news media? Maybe it was the dems running for office. I got a look at my bosses pay stub. WOW!!!! I couldn't believe how much was taken out. The democrats want us to believe that the rich get off somehow. All you have to do is ask a "well off" person. They'll be more than glad to tell you the truth of how much they pay in taxes, as well as how hard they worked for their salary. Why do non-producers have the right to the producers money? Giving money to the govt. is like trying to feed an elephant, he'll never get full. And, why is Bush getting all the blame for this mess? Haven't the dems been in control of Congress? What have they done to fix this, or did they create it? Remember, Congress has a lot more power than the president. If you want more money...GO TO WORK!!! If you want to pay off your credit cards...GO TO WORK!!! If you want to send your kids to go to college...GO TO WORK !!! If you want to keep more of what YOU earn, vote for McCain. If you want to support lazy, poor, deadbeats who wouldn't work in a pie factory, vote for Obama. Oh yeah, we'll all be on foodstamps if enough people do that. Hmmmm, I wonder who I'll vote for?

 

If you want a completely inexperienced bit of eye candy a heartbeat away from the Presidency, vote for him.

I will not stand idly by while you insult Barack Obama this way.

 

LOL!

The biggest problem in American politics today is that people don't respect people who hold contrary opinions. OK, so you support "X" candidate. Great. I support "Y" candidate. How come you cannot respect my different view? Why do you have to call me stupid ? Or anti-American? If we cannot solve this fundamental problem we won't move forward collectively. So, each of us needs to broaden his/her view of what it means to be American.

 

My only supprise is how there hasn't been a US election thread in the "anything goes" area before....

Just curious and not having a bias between the parties can someone explain how with Obama's seemingly lack of political depth and peculiar background he went about manoeuvring himself in front of a more obvious Hillary on his way to the US Presidential elections. ?

 

Your Mom. I rest my case.






P.S. This is not meant to be taken seriously at all. I'm just being a goofball. :tongue:

 

If any of us believe that what we are seeing on television is really a reflection of the true character of the candidates I think we are being a bit naive. At the end of the day 99% of us will need to admit that we are voting not so much for the person, but for the philosophy that they represent.

That said I am voting for McCain mainly because I believe that less government is better than more government, and fewer taxes are better than higher taxes. Top 10% of the earners (I'm not one of them) in this country pay 70% of the taxes, therefore not sure how those earning less are being screwed. Anyone who looks at the Bush tax cuts will see that lower earners received a bigger percentage cut than higher earners.

 

Imagine that!

 

If a Republican govt is considered "less govt" then some people are not paying attention. If less govt means that 10's of thousands of people are still waiting for aid after hurricane Katrina then I think we need a change for the better. There are people STILL living in trailers in the 7th and 9th Ward of New Orleans. 3 years from now I bet the Texas cities will be completely rebuilt... And don't give me that crap about "they need to help themselves" either. In a time of a natural disaster our govt is suppose to support its people.

When the Republican governor of California states that education is the most important thing yet STEALS 2 billion dollars from the state school budget it makes me think something is very wrong with what our system is doing.

This administration has time and time again :ncb: the middle class. There are so many loop holes for the ultra rich ($200k and up) they do NOT pay their fair share of taxes. Most people on this thread are not making that kind of money so you are still considered middle class.

Both sides are at the root of the problem. Neither one of them will be able to do much to change the way the "real" govt works. Anyone who thinks that a single person can make that much of a difference needs to take their head out of their That said, I'm voting for the lesser of 2 evils: Obama.

Hate me for my opinion, I really don't give a s#it...

 

My wife doesn't like to get me started on politics and probably for good reason. I listen to and research topics so that I am an informed voter. Most of the time I get extremely frustrated with our government officials. I am a registerd republican who will change his status to a registerd conservitive next year. This election has me questioning the whole process and I still don't understand how the H#LL out of great country like this we ended up with these two canditates.

I firmly believe that 90% of our population, including Rebublicans and Democrats actually agree on the same basic principals. We all pay too much taxes. We all need to get a grip on ILLEGAL immigration. We know health care can be improved (NOT by big brother though). We know our school systems can be improved as well and the whole pro life pro choice thing can be worked out reasonably (NO late term abortion except for medical complications?).

The fix for all these is not through more taxes and throwing money at them but in genuine reform. Reform is in direct contrast with Big Government it seems. I can not think of a single program that Big Government is in charge of that is not mismanaged, corrupt and a thousand times more expensive than if it were left to private competition.

Taxes really get me going so I better stop before I write an essay on this. I'll just say this, the consumption tax is the fairest. Next would be the fair tax and our current system is just plain JACKED UP! 6400 plus pages of tax code...whatever!

I would like to ask everyone to do some research before voting and don't just listen to the main stream mofia...oops I mean media.

 

Damn you...........

Y2K.....See what have you created.............? Another drama:bs::ncb::vader::bootyshake2:

 

SS, I agree that the govt is supposed to "support its people", but c'mon, imagine a couple of other scenarios than big, bad Katrina.

I've lived in the mid-west, Los Angeles, and now the SouthEast. I was close to the Northridge quake, and many ppl lost their houses. Did the govt give them 'trailers' to live in for 3 years. You live in the Bay Area, did FEMA give away 'trailers' to the ppl that lost their houses in the 1989 quake??

If a tornado comes along and wipes out my home, do I expect FEMA to show up out front and say "Here's a new place you can live in for 3 or more years.....no cost to you" ? Not a chance. Our govt is supposed to help out its people by giving them a 'hand-up', NOT A HAND OUT!

Low cost housing loans should absolutely be made available to ppl that lose their homes in a natural disaster, NOT FREE HOUSING. Insurance is for taking care of your losses, not the federal government.

Our tax burden is already overstressed in our country, and we certainly cannot afford to keep bailing out people that are less-fortunate. Believe me, I do have a heart, it's just that living off of the government has seemed to become a 'way of life' to many people. Welfare was originally designed as a 'hand-up' proposition, not a 'free hand-out'. We need to get back to that original design and quit bleeding our country dry.

My thoughts on the matter only (VFRW has NOT approved this message)
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One last note I'll add. I know the presidential election is very important but I believe we don't don't pay near enough attention to our congressional elections. Congress writes the proposal and the president approves or veto's. First we have to write the bills that will reflect our wishes. I think all of congress (both sides of the isle) have dropped the ball on this. I wish there was some way we could limit terms for congress so that congress would be more reflective of the peoples wishes and not the special intersts.

Thanks everyone for your posts, interesting reading.

 

What is taken out of your paycheck and what you ACTUALLY end up paying come April 15th are two completely different things. The issue here is that the richest people have the largest tax loopholes and allowances avaialble to them, and BY PERCENTAGE OF INCOME, they pay "less". Now is Bill Gats paying the U.S. Government less money than me? Absolutely not. But I can[/] guarantee that he's deducting more from his taxes than I make in a year, probably 50 times over.

The problem with this country is HOW THINGS ARE DONE, not who's doing them. The above is a perfect example. There are tax loopholes that the rich can take advantage of, that Joe Schmo couldn't even imagine of taking advantage of. It's not a Republican vs. Democrat thing, get that straight. The choice in this campaign boils down to whether or not you like how things are going RIGHT NOW. Are you happy with the economy? Are you satisfied that the Iraq War is going in the right direction? Do you think that our foreign policies are correct?

Remember, it's about the issues and how the candidates stand behind them. Not a glitzy running mate, or how badly you can smear the other candidate. The election is unfortunataly decided by people who are fundimentally UNINFORMED, and that is the biggest problem. "I don't trust that candidate...", "She has too little experience...", "He's nothing but a pop star..."

To all those questions - I ask, "How do you know?" Most of the time, there is a silence...

So anyways, I think that this will be a close election once again, and hopefully, there won't be another Florida SNAFU.

 

Agreed, not being a yank your system confuses me..but on the outside looking in this seems to be what is required.
When will your cadidates debate and present there views so far i see mostly retorict and things based of what they said at some confrence.

 

I sure wish some of you guys could show me some of these "loopholes". Sounds like some people should talk to a CPA about these "loopholes". I'm sorry, but they DON'T EXIST!!! And, quit believing everything the news media says. There are places where you can put money "Tax Deferred", but the taxes will have to be paid on, not only what was put in, but any intrest the money earned. Plus, there are retirement accounts that grow tax free which are available to middle and lower income people which are NOT available to higher income people. Please quit listening to CNN, NBC, and CBS long enough to find the facts. Besides, why does the government think they can spend money wiser than the guy who earned it. Hell, he earned it, it's HIS money. Surely we have a higher income member here who could shine some light on this subject for those who have overdosed on CNN. Our government is like a leach, sucking the lifeblood right out of our economy.

 

LOL!!! I know I was exaggerating a little about Bush's frat party, but this one takes the cake. Bravo! Hey, all in fun right?