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  1. REDROD

    REDROD New Member

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    I have a 1995 vfr that sat over the winter! I took the carburetors off in the spring and gave them a good cleaning. When i reinstalled the carbs the bike idles great but will not take throttle. Now after taking them off a number of times checking the floats, jets etc.and reinstalling same result! Will not take throttle. It bogs down like its starving for gas.

    I'm lost as a ball in tall weeds!
     


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    vacuum slides move freely if you slide them with your finger?

    Any difference with "choke" on (or off)?
     


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    Tinki could have the answer: It's not always easy to get the vaccum diaphrams seated correctly, so check that you feel slow resistance and listen for a "whooooosh" sound as you push the slides up with a finger.

    You say the bike idles fine or i'd suggest a possible blocked fuel filter or bad fuel pump.
     


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    Check each slide for pin holes in the rubber diaphragms. Bike will idle fine but not take throttle in that condition. Just my $.02
     


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    My money is on clogged pilot circuit

    Does it idle with the choke on? How about without the choke?

    Did you pull out the mixture screw and clean back into the transfer ports of the pilot circuit? Is the pilot jet really open--it's very tiny (0.015" diameter) and usually needs to be rodded out with a small wire or #79 drill bit.

    It is starved for fuel because the transfer ports aren't flowing any fuel from the pilot jet circuit, so it's either clogged pilots, transfer ports or mixture screw port.

    How far can you slowly twist the throttle until it dies?

    Carburetor cleaning:
    http://huntsville.craigslist.org/cys/2573045490.html
     
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    tinker - thanks for your reply! Yes the slides move freely and the choke has no effect.
     


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    How did you clean the carbs? Was it an ultrasonic bath or just carb cleaner in a can spray?
     


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    I cleand the carbs with just clean in can!
    We ain't that high tech in south carolina.
     


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    Does your bike require choke to start when dead cold?

    Do you think your choke (more aptly named - enrichment circuit) is working?
     


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    Tink, yes since i have owned the bike summer or winter it always require choke on the first startup. I feel sure the choke is working!
     


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    I'm assuming that means the choke is still working after your carb cleaning....

    Originally I asked if the choke made any difference in the bike's ability to take throttle to figure out if it could be a plugged pilot circuit. Same as some new guy said when he stepped in. Not sure what your understanding level is of these carbs and how all their circuits work.

    The pilot jet feeds two circuits. One for the idle air mixture screw that controls your idle, and one for another orifice just behind the throttle plate for just above idle operation.

    It would seem that second orifice (or associated path is plugged). However, if the enrichment circuit, fed by the third brass pickup tube, is working; you can normally get the RPM's passed here and into the main jet circuit. The fact that the enrichment circuit has no affect, besides the fact that there are four carbs here and chances of all four being plugged is not likely.

    Is this a California model bike? There were more vacuum lines on CA models.

    When you said it doesn't take throttle; are we talking under load (you're trying to ride it) or just sitting on the kickstand?

    You said you had the bike for years; what was going on before you tried to clean the carbs? Is this a new problem since you tried putting it back together or same issue?
     


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    Sweet mother of acceleration. You given me a lot for my little pea brain to consider and i appreciate it very much! Thank you for your time.
    It will not take trottle on the stand! Yes this is a new problem! I failed to use a gas stabilzer and this spring the carbs were so gumbed up you could not turn the throttle.
     


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    sounding more like you still have clogged passages in the carb bodies. If it won't run on the stand, it's not likely that the issue is a vacuum leak or dead cylinder. There's little doubt in my mind that the issue is in the carbs themselves.

    These are probably one of the most complicated and difficult carb assemblies to clean. I think we may need to find someone in your area who can help you. Or you can consider sending Squirrelman a private message to see what his rates and lead time would be to send the assembly to him. I think TOE CUTTER has a thread on V4 carb cleaning with pictures in the Mechanics Garage forum if you want to keep going at this on your own.

    I have to hit the road and get to work - back later.
     


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    [REDROD, em ail me at:
    the_tomato_man@verizon.net
    I can get you going. Its too long to print here. or call.
    fouronetwosevensixsevenzerothreetwothree
    Ed in Pittsburgh Pa.
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    thanks you guys for all the suggestions! I'll try then this weekend if it cools off a little! It's been 100+ everyday for two weeks!

    Thanks again!!
     


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    tinker,
    i had a guy close that looked at carbs and verify my work . He confirms the jets are clean. Do you think the second path of the pilot jet could still be clogged? If so how to access? I'll check the diaphragms for any pin holes when i go back in!
    To answer some of your questions. No it's not a california bike, sometimes if i gradually apply throttle it will rev up. All this happens on center stand, no problems before carb cleaning just let sit to long.
    I did locate tocutter thread and it should be helpful. But it appeared very similar to initial cleaning!
     


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    Let me give you an update and ask for more advise!
    I removed the carbs again really gave them a meticulous cleaning. I checked the diaphragms for any pin holes all good! Reinstalled on bike and tried to start with choke on "nothing". So sprayed some starter fluid an it fired up at about 5000 rpms.
    I quickly grabbed the throttle and it maintained rpm even increasing to about 8000.
    After a few minutes I began to drop rpm and at about 1500 it died! I was able to recreate same procedure with the same results!
     


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    awe man - this is getting ugly.

    From your description, it tells me the choke and idle circuit are plugged or not operating for one reason or another. Pilot jet, main jet, and vacuum slides are probably all working fine.

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    Other issues like poor compression and cam timing could cause the symptom but based on your claim that the bike ran normal until sitting with old gas, I'm still leaning on carbs.
     


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    Should the pilot screw be screwed all the way in? To clean should i remove pilot screw and blow air through?
     


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    Should NOT be screwed all the way in. Generally the screw would be 2 revolutions out from seated. With the screw fully seated, the engine wouldn't get fuel at idle.

    With the screw removed and blowing air into the hole, you should have air coming out the slow speed jet and through the small orifice by the butterfly valve.
     


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