water wetter?

Tcarrol; I am glad that you clarified the thing about water wetter and anti freeze. I have always used Wetter with an anti freeze combination. Now I DO BELIEVE that wetter will work better in the absence of anti freeze,but for me water wetter would just be so impractical if you could not use it with anti freeze. eddie

 

The cooling system in the goat is 21 qts. (5 gallons) So half of that was anti-freeze. A lot more than our bikes. With the small amount in our bikes I doubt it would really make a difference. Unless the cooling is on the edge w/glycol prior to adding WW.

"it can be added to new or used antifreeze to improve the heat transfer of ethylene and propylene glycol systems."

"Compatible with all antifreezes, including the latest long-life variations."

Both those statements are probably true. It never say's it will run cooler under those conditions. Just extract more heat. If your cooling system can cool the extra heat then fine. If not, get rid of the glycol.

I talked to them about 3 years ago. and that's what they told me. So I just used it with water and wallah the temps dropped below what they were prior to using WW w/glycol. My system was on the edge of not really cooling my new motor at the time. The above statements also opens up a wider market to make more money. Other wise people in the snow areas wouldn't use if they could not mix it with anti-freeze. IMO

It was first designed for racing where anti-freeze is not allowed. It's original mix was with water only.

I just watched the video/demo they have explaining how WW works. Even in there, towards the end, they show temps when using WW. The temps are the higher/highest when used with glycol.
They never advocate using anti-freeze if you notice. They do give a WARNING in the video to use anti-freeze IF you live in winter climates.

Here's a pre mix they sell for motorcycles. Red Line Oil: Coolants and Others
Notice no anti-freeze. Here's the mix:

"this product is blended with deionized and purified water and WaterWetter®, the most effective heat transfer agent available with corrosion inhibitors to satisfy the same ASTM corrosion tests which glycol-based antifreezes are designed to pass"

 

I used a product called Cool-Aide in my bike for the track days. Never had a heating issue so cant really tell you if it drops temps or not. The thing is most tracks do not want you to have coolant in your bike incase of a crash. Coolant does not evaporate the way WW or CA will. You CAN add Cool_aide to your coolant with no issues.

Maxima Racing Usa - Cool-Aide

 

Here is a good white paper on Redline Water Wetter...

DZ

http://www.redlineoil.com/whitePaper/21.pdf

 

One thing to keep in mind is 50% glycol in water gives a freezing point depression of 68 degrees F or a freezing point of -36F. If you live in climates that are warmer, but have the risk of occasional freezing days or nights you could run a lower glycol to water volume and supplement with the Redline Water Wetter. See the table below for glycol water freezing points based on % of glycol by volume. Just make sure you use good water (distilled) and the redline (for better wetting and corrosion inhibition) because 50/50 glycol water gives optimal corrosion inhibition as well.

Thus...you could run 30/70 glycol/water + water wetter and get a coolant freezing point of 2 degrees F and also get the added benefit of the higher heat capacity due to the extra water (= better cooling..not as good as pure water, but better than 50/50...see graph in the Redline white paper) and better wet out because of the water wetter.

Main thing is do your research so you are comfortable with it and make sure you get your mixtures right so you don't freeze or have accelerated corrosion.

Freezing Point
Ethylene Glycol Solution
xxxxxxxxxxx(% by volume) 0 10 20 30 40 50 60
Freezing Temperature (oF) 32 23 14 2 -13 -36 -70
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx(oC) 0 -3 -8 -16 -25 -37 -55

 

Here is a link to a good chart showing freezing points of Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol. Most antifreeze you buy for vehicles is Ethylene Glycol, but check the label.

http://www.ketemalp.com/pdfs/glycol_freezing_point_table.pdf

 

Hi deltazulu, good job on R&D'ing the ratios and freeze points. I have used WW in several vehicles including my VFR. If the coolent is clean I just add the recomended
amount for my cooling system capacity.Other than that, seems to do as advertised.
One thing though, WW wont make up for an engine or cooling system that is defective in some way. eddie

 

How about this? A lower temp fan switch. Also flip the fan blades and reverse the polarity, this will make the fan actually effective at 20-40 mph. Problem solved!

 

Thanks Eddie. My bike is brand new (579 miles) and I just did the first oil change and changed the coolant as well. I live in Denver, CO so I decided to go with a 30% glycol / 70% water mix with water wetter.

I made up my coolant mix as follows (~1.5 gallons worth):

60 fluid oz. of ethylene glycol
140 fluid oz. of distilled water
3/4 cup (6 fluid oz. of water wetter)

Checked it with my hydrometer and the freezing point is right on the money.