so i let my endorsement go few years back when i had to move to IL for work. Back in Ohio I get VFR, take written test and get permit. I heard, take the riders course and get card that allows you to get endorsement. What BS, waste 10 hrs w/ drive at this riders course, learned nothing, had to ride this lil 200cc bike i couldn't hardly balance and end up failing the riding test at end of course. $50. so...back to square 1, make apt at DMV for skills test, riding my VFR, free, pass it easily except the U-turn part, i knew i was putting foot down so just planted foot, kept bike in the box and only got 5 pts off. I could have done that months ago and had endorsement but waited until the riding course which i had to schedule out 3 months back. what a ripoff, just stupid very low level stuff in course. turning, countersteer, breaking, derp. if i would have rode my VFR to course i would have got on it but i had drove car. so, if you know how to ride sorta and are just taking riding course to get out of skills test, just go try skills test, you might pass it even on big hvy non-tight steering, jerky throttle in low rpm VFR!
Haha Sorry about your experience ound: Rider Course is a must for people have no or little experience of riding.
I guess the best lesson here is to keep your licence and all its classes current. Wished I had done that from way back when I had a class three air endorsed.
There is no argument... the Basic Rider Course is just that. It gives riders the basic skills needed to ride a motorcycle. It is up to the riders to then take that information, practice those skills and learn more as they ride. All skills taught in the Rider Course are for slow maneuvers. These are not necessarily what we use when riding on a daily basis. However, I might suggest that if you couldn't pass the test, you actually "might" want to take the course and hone your skills. If you can't do the skills slow, you won't be good at doing them fast. The skills test consists of U-Turn, swerving, quick braking and a basic turn at speed. It takes alot to fail... so really... for your own safety, you might look at honing your skills whether you retake the Rider Course, or find another course to take. You want to have as many tools in your toolbox to be as safe as possible out there. Also, as an aside, many states also offer an ERC which is a one day course offered by the MSF. The states that do offer this, often allow a pass in this class to waive the riding portion of the endorsement test. If you can take that course, it might be another way to hone your skills... it is a much more condensed version of the BRC, but offers the same skill set... AND you do it all on your own bike.
The various states have their own versions of both rider schools and testing. Many of them transfer. All, is a toss up. There are also levels of instruction from beginner to experienced riders, again a toss up. Specifics can be found on a given states website and drilling down to that state's version of the DMV. Best bet: RTFM and don't show up with "attitude". The instructors will flunk you out for that alone. Best also not to mention texting even below the ton..LOL
Still working on that. Getting there though. Have my Dangerous Goods ticket but I don't see how I can move a lot of enriched uranium on my bike though. This post should spark the interest of the Homeland Security Internet Snoops.
One thing I learned on this course is that people tend to stay away from you and leave you alone if certain placards are hanging on your rig.
i was taking basic returners course, i could have passed it 100% on VFR, they put you on these shitty 200s, i rode it pretty much ok the whole day but it was not comfortable going thru course on, i don't talk at all on course, the less talking the sooner we get done. I thought i'd have a hard time taking test at DMV on VFR, i was wrong, it was easy.
I think anyone would have a handling problem on one of those 800lb, 200cc Harleys. You were fortunate that the instructors could read sign language.
