Will do Jeff. My parents still live in Petawawa. Just another reason to go for a nice 200+ km ride. I know many good roads in the valley :biggrin: The shad flies are not really out yet. Wait another 3 weeks and then look out! The cold weather has slowed the bugs a bit. And yes, the black flies are nasty too! Bloody chainsaws for teeth! :israel: Jason P.S. Deep River has 4 Viffers? Wow! Great! It would be great to hook with a couple of you.