Arrogant Cop

Get the Feeling You're Being Watched? If You're Driving, You Just Might Be - WSJ.com

Right back at ya... :biggrin:

KC-10 FE out...
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Oh great, selective taxation. Do you wear a revenuers badge?

 

Do what is requested??? :lol: You guys crack me up. Police lie to people. Great example to set, huh?

Want to serve? Serve the best interests of the government and yourselves. You are not there to serve the people. You are there to intimidate the people, to keep them in check for the government.

 

Yes, gotta love it. You get PUINISHED for exercising your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

and they wonder why we don't like cops

 

The fine structure and the system drawing out cases and wasting time is done quite on purpose. It is designed to make it not cost effective to dispute tickets. Even innocent people will pay fines because it is easier. "Justice" system they call it

 

There is the crux of it. The government has found a way to invade our privacy. Everyone has to move around to survive. Now, the govt can harass you for doing what you need to do to survive. Don't give me that crap about breaking traffic laws either. I bet I could follow you for 10 minutes and you would break a 'traffic law' as well.

 

Well, it is not illegal because the extortionists are making the laws.

It wasn't illegal to kill Jews in Germany in the 40's either.....

 

I'd have to say, the govt has no right and no business trying to protect people from themselves....

Don't break the law: If I got a printed version of every law you are supposed to know and adhere to as a citizen and brought them to court, the books would not fit in the courtroom.

Don't break the law is bullshit.

 

FYI Mr. Ianjoub, there is a little button next to quote with two white pages and a green plus sign and that button is for doing multiple quotes in the same post. Just click that button for each message you want to quote then on the last message you're going to quote, click the plain jane "quote" button and it'll list each post you want to quote in a single post of your own so you don't send out a million thread updates. :thumbsup:

Cheers.

 

Thanks. The way my brain works (or doesn't) I need to respond to each idea as I read it. Otherwise I forget as I get madder and madder reading subsequent bullsht (sp)

 

Then reading your own posts must have you going batshit....

 

I can't really complain about cops around here. Northeast Ohio. Last summer I was running late for work so of course I was speeding. On my bike at 0630. I came over a crest on the freeway (Rt 2 east) and passed a State Trooper at 90 MPH. I checked my mirror and he pulled out after me. Now, a decision was to be made. I could have very easily sped up and left him, weaving through cars or pull over. I chose the latter. By the time he pulled up behind me I had my isurance card and registration out (stored under my seat). He asked me how fast I was going and I told him I wasn't paying attention. After about a 5 minute wait while he ran my licence he came back and issued me a warning. A verbal warning at that. No complaints from me. Now i don't know the reason he let me go, don't really care but I came up with 2 options.
1. He didn't get me on his radar
2. He likes sport bikes
I think it was the first choice myself but I guess we'll never know...

 

Never had a problem with cops in VA as far as hassling riders. Had some be pricks when they pulled me over in my cager. Never been pulled on the bike, even when speeding. They seem to leave bikers alone here as long as you're not being unsafe.

 

In my past experience with situations like that, where I was obviously speeding, they never clocked me. In one of my situations I took off from a light quick and settled back down right away. Got up to about 45-50mph on a 30mph business route in the city.(don't flame- I was pumped up from a bike festival lol and one side was railroad tracks, the other part a river. No traffic, pedestrians, or residents to worry about either as I was at the front of the light.) I noticed the cop close in behind me as a distant light changed behind me. He tailed me for a bit until I pulled into a gas station(they'll always pull you over if you do this btw) because that's where I was headed to in the first place. He pulls in, and there's the cherries and berries. First question is why I was going so fast? (It's June btw)My answer: It's the first time I've had my bike out this year since I got it out of the shop with a new sprocket ratio and I'm still getting used to it. Officer replies, did you know your plates are expired? Me: OH, crap. Forgot about that since the bike has been torn apart in my garage since February(which was true and my bday is March 31st). Well he asked about my record, I responded with the incidents and he said he'd check it out. He did then said he'd let me off with a warning and that I had 12 days left to renew my registration...

I have no idea how that works since it was the first week of June...but whatever, I'll take it lol. He never tagged me because he had too much traffic in front of him so he couldn't give me a ticket for that and I NEVER ADMITTED what my actual speed was(this is key). I still don't understand the plate registration thing though...90 days to renew your plates and only paying the "late registration fee"? really? whatever.


Here's a random question for you LEO's and lawyers out there:

If you're a passenger in a vehicle that is pulled over for a minor traffic violation(headlight out/plate tags expired) are you required to present your ID to the officer if asked?(I know the officer can ASK whatever the hell he wants(read: here fishy, fishy!), but what as a passenger are you required to answer/do besides body position/movement commands for the officer's safety) I know this varies from state to state(RS for ID or not) and I don't know of any federal case laws that discuss it(passenger ID disclosure requirements). Any thoughts?

 

"Then reading your own posts must have you going batshit...."

Going, going, gone.

 

My experience with LEO's, while on the bike here in MT, has so far been 3 good and 1 bad.

Good #1: While "playing" on an empty stretch of highway with 20 other bikes, hi-po got a complaint of racing. Cop show up, showed attitude, and was a general dick until he was shown that we were not going to be a hassle for him. All of us had everything needed: DL with endorsements, full gear, no video equipment. We fully admitted to "playing" but not racing (our rule is only one bike at a time.) Cop: "Find a private area, ride safe, and have a nice day."

Good #2: I was run off the road last year by a couple idiots racing their cars; cops were already on the lookout for them when they came across me on the side of the road. They helped me get my bike up and gave me a ride home when we discovered that the clutch lever had been broken off.

Good #3: Was stopped on the way home from work for "passing that pickup a little fast." The young (and I do mean YOUNG! as in: Are you even out of high school yet?) cop looked over my papers, asked a few questions (which I truthfully answered), asked a few more questions about the bike and what my plate meant ("Viffer"), then let me off with a warning.

Bad #1: I took off quickly from a stop light (but in no way exceeded the speed limit, just left faster than the cars beside me) and a cop pulled in behind me (he was in a parking lot and actually cut off a car to do this.) He rode my ass for about 6 miles, from one area of town to another. I never went above the speed limit, signaled lane changes, etc., all while other cars were passing both of us in other lanes. It was only when I pulled into a gas station that he quit following me.

Conclusion: Your attitude can really direct how a situation ends, but there will always be that one who's too eager to write that ticket.

 

Wow, human nature at its finest! lol. I am not in any way affiliated with law enforcement, but I wanted to take this opportunity to thank C111 and the other Officers on this forum that put their lives on the line daily to make all of our varied existences as good as they are. I feel your pain VFR World...ALL OF YOU. I have been stopped a LOT (over 25 times when i stopped counting, although to this point 0 times on the VFR...VFR magic? I don't know, lol) Ive been wrongfully arrested (administrative dismissal), and followed more times than I care to remember. I also get a taste of what many Officers have to deal with in regard to my job with an airline, people see my uniform and take out their frustrations on me as a way to get back at "that evil airline corporation", and in the end it affects how you view the public. What good does it do them? None. SO! What is my attitude now? ITS FREAKING LIFE! Deal with it... all of it. Life is not fair. Everyone deserves respect until they prove they don't deserve it. Does anyone know about living conditions in some other countries (ahem...Mexico)? Its the price of safety. The Officers are just doing their jobs and are 100% right in what they are doing under the law (which in many cases is subject to personal interpretation, the letter of the law can be read many ways). They're not perfect, but they're our laws. The laws we have were not written by the officers, so don't take out your frustrations on them. Sometimes people just see a uniform as a part of the institution it represents, well the person wearing the uniform is just that...a person. And FYI, all of the fines I have had to pay over time, I deserved, I broke the law. Feel free to disagree, "opinions are like a**holes...everybody has one"...lol.

 

Actually you can. I report every police officer I see speeding. I get their vehicle number and place formal compaints if the offense is bad enough. My worst pet peve is when an officer comes flying up, cuts across 4 lanes of traffic cutting people off and almost causing a huge pileup just to catch some guy on his way to work doing 5mph over the speed limit. I've stopped behind the officer before and requested his badge number, which by law their required to provide being a PUBLIC servant, and placed a formal complaint with his department. I can honestly say I've had good run-ins with officers and gotten off with more than I should (and have officers for close friends), but I can count those on one hand verses the number of impotent bastards I've ran into that have nothing better to do than harass everyone available. I know full well there are no quotas in departments, but I know enough officers that have told me it's a competition to see who can write the most citations. Especially with the young cocks just out of the academy. The best you can do is know the laws in your riding area, they are publicly posted and can be found online. Remember, the best offense is a great defense. Be polite, provide everything asked for, make sure everything is in order before you ever set out for your ride, then collect all information available and fight like hell in court. Overwhelm them with info. You've got the right to present your case in court and I've even resorted to presenting so much in my defense that the judge just dismisses it to get on with his day. I wish well to every officer on here, and mean them no ill will. I'm sure that none of them fall into that stereotype as they obviously are a higher class of individual, as are all VFR riders. :thumbsup: Rant done. Orvis out.

 

In 50 states, you are under no obligation to identify yourself if not under probable cause by a peace officer. Police will ask you for ID and some will get aggressive about it, but you are under no obligation to submit your papers unless you are in control of a motor vehicle.

Reasonable suspicion will get you checked out. Beyond that it is direct evidence as probable cause, or your own consent that gets you wrung out.

The nice part is that most cops are honest about reasonable suspicion vs. Probable cause. In "What's Left of America", you never have to consent to search, give verbal evidence, or allow search/seizure beyond the scope of probable cause.

Most legal troubles that otherwise law abiding people get into are related to their consent. They give consent to a peace officer (even unknowingly) and he uncovers some wrongdoing.

In the United States, you are protected legally, via the Constitution and Bill of Rights, from unreasonable, turd-world type police powers.

That is the way it should be.

 

I sure wish I had a copy of that Jedi Mind Thing software that would tell me about what a cop is thinking.