V-tech- Over all positive or negative?

ABS does not cut in until the wheel starts to lock. Therefore your threshold braking skills still apply. But if the "HOLY SH$T" happens in front of you and your not at your peek skill that day it may just save your a$$. The 6th gen ABS kicks butt in regards to function, It's smooth and as transparent as ABS gets. Having ABS that was the first thing I played with to get the "feel". My threshold braking still applied and the ABS didn't kick in until I gave it that little bit extra. In the wet it was great, especially when transitioning from asphalt to say a painted white line when on the brakes. I suppose some people treat ABS as a means to not threshold brake when needed and just hammer it... no skill involved there.

 

Well, hmmm...Johnandash07 you need to go visit the ABS threads because there is plenty of good reading there...you'll get a kick out them...very devisive those threads.
Me? Give me VTEC, ABS and some groceries...there is plenty of power in the sixth gen for me...

 

To each his own. I would like ABS but I don't have it. I don't need linked brakes but I have them. They're OK, except I dont like linked brakes in the gravel. Never had a bad experience using them in the gravel, but still it makes me a little leery when I stop on the shoulder.

I think a lot of the criticisms of innovations like the VFR's linked brakes, ABS and - dare I say it? - VTEC are just the rants of Luddites who like it "The Way It Was!" You ought to hear the Ducati Monster owners at DucatiMonster.org diss the new Monster 696, even though the bike's specs on paper are waaaaay more impressive than the old 600/620/695 Monsters. Maybe even better than the 800 Monster. Still everyone there sniffs that it looks more like a UJM than a Ducati. Pul-lease!

As for VFRs, I don't pay any attention to complaints about ABS, linked brakes, VTEC and the styling of the different generation VFRs. I really don't give a sh!t about other riders' opinions on those topics. Most of the opinions are subjective crap anyway, like "I love the gear whine!" or "I love the 6th Generation styling." Jeez, it all is too ridiculous to pay any attention to it. So, if you like VTECS, don't expect a medal from me. If you don't like them, I don't give a hoot about that either.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zv3Sacl7JQ
For a good demonstration of ABS go to the above link. ABS was the deciding factor in my choice of the 6th gen. My last three bikes FJR, BMW RT, & VFR have had ABS. I have ridden 38 years street, & dirt & I know I cannot out-brake ABS especially in the wet. Granted I have had to do some things to make the bike run the way I like, staintunes, PC3, filter, 02 elems. It runs sweet now. I have ridden 5th gen VFRs & I must say there is something appealing about that gear noise.

 

I've owned a '90 and now my '05. I bought my '05 because I wanted ABS. They're all great bikes. Read a few articles on the VFRs and you find that a lot of the writers start out by saying that "the VFR has always been Honda's technological flagship". If we didn't advance the tech, we'd be riding 2 wheeled Model T's. That said, all VFRs are awesome. It's that V-4 sound, man! Go ride YOUR ride, whatever it is! R-E-S-P-E-C-T, Brothers.

 

Come on guys--get a life. I have ridden every kind of bike ever made. Gold wing to CBR to VTX to Harley to dirt bike and everything in between. Every bike has its place and its purpose. The people who bash the VFR for its inability to be a CBR or a GSXR should just shut up and ride a CBR or a GSXR. I have always had more than one bike at a time to meet my varied bike "moods" and this is no different. I traded a CBR 600 for the VFR not really knowing much about the VFR, but I really like it. I could go either way on the V-TECH, but I do like the versatility. I really like the low end torque that the variable valve use gives, and the punch of power when the other valves open at 6400 rpm. If I wanted more power and was willing to make the sacrifices in comfort, I would have bought a Busa. The only thing I would even consider changing about the bike is I would have the extra valves open a little sooner than 6400, but I reserve the right to change my mind after I put a few more miles on it. For now, it is exactly what I want. If I wanted a touring bike, I would get a wing. If I wanted a bigger ST, I would get an ST or a BMW. I wouldn't ride a Harley if it was the last bike on earth, so I will keep my VTX for those days. But the VFR is the perfect compromise between light sportiness, all day comfort, low end torque, and high end power. If I wanted to race I would get another CBR or a GSXR. But so far I really love the VFR. Can't wait to get my hard bags next week.

If these guys hate the VFR so much, why the hell are they loitering on the VFR forum??

Get a life, guys.

 

Well if you are a owner of multiple bikes & had multiple bikes, does that include multiple types of VF's & VFR's ?????
If not, you haven't read enough posts to understand the previous posts on this subject.
You yourself have suggested you like the low end torque of the 2 valves, & the peak of the V-joke keeking(thats a mixed worrd for week/kick) in for that comfortable power range, but would like the V-joke to kick in sooner.
Now that you said that, you described a non V-Tec 5th gen bike, :wink: because why not have the full power range from the bottom to the top :biggrin: Make sense to me to alway's have it.

If Honda had test drives, I would of been keen to the V-Jokes charactoristics & never traded in my fith gen, because simply the 5th gen motor was a better & more M/Cish than a v-tec car like hit motor of the 6th gen.

The other complant "IF" you would of read is the the bike for a all around bike "IS" under powered for it's weight A true sport tourer shall be nimble/light/ & have power to move the increased wt possibilities (Paniers, trunk, passenger, tank bag) as to why the "would you buy a VFR 1000 thread".
If (Since you have said your a multi M/C owner) you haven't forgotten, M/C's in any form are a performance machine, therefor what ever there style/type, they should preform to best of the capabilities. Saying that, The 6th Gen went backwards in the evolution of previous VF's & VFR's with the V-tec, It was a Cage technology that was to make people think it was the newest thing for performace & fuel savings & a test bed to see if the M/C public would fall for it & buy it.
I mean it was such a revelution that All of Honda's bikes have that now Oops, thats right they don't & VFR sales dropped, & there is no future of putting it in any of there bikes, mistake learned:frusty:

I own 4 types of VF's & VFR's, & have owned many other VF's, I currently own 25 bikes of all types, & have owned close to or over 200 in my life time so far from the 1st bikes to the present modern ones so I have some opinion, but it's mine & some will disagree. But your opinion is your opinion, and I for one can't justify your statements, especially about why we are on this forum.

I can tell you that we are on here to learn & provide info to one another, & though, we tend to rip on one another for our choice of generations of the VF's & VFR's (& voice our opinions - oh not me :tongue: ). We ride bikes & enjoy that, doesn't matter what your on,because when you get off your bike, that gives you something to talk about :smile:

As for the current Honda 6th Gen, I think there great, every legal riding kid or wife should have one to ride along with ther Father/Husband thats on a "better bike" thats available



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no disrespect intended. I just think this is a great bike that fills a certain need and people need to love it for what it is. Like popeye says, " I yam what I yam!"

 

OK. I did it. I just traded my 3 week old '08 VFR800 for a new '08 CBR1000RR. I admit that I was "infatuated" with the VFR and wanted to be emotionally attached to it. I really felt like something was missing, and after a few days on the 178 hp CBR, now I realize what it is that the VFR lacks......Balls. Thanks, Taz, for your honesty. The VFR does have some great points. Looks are great. Comfort and ergos are good. But the lack of testosterone and adrenaline overshadow the other points. The CBR has more power at 3000 rpms than the VFR has at 7000 rpms even with the vtech. As for me, I'll stick with the balls of the CBR. The VFR just left me hungry for more, and now I realize that it is just flat wimpy.
I guess I won't be hanging around here much longer but will probably check my responses for a few days. Sorry guys for the reality check.

Flysurgeon Out

 

Don't hate me for having more juice than you......

 

Just adding a quick post saying nothing to bump me to 667 posts.

 

This thread is completely worthless. Like teats on a bull.

 

Do you pronouce " teats " with a Scottish accent ?

 

Hey,man!!!!
When I hit 666 I'm gonna quit!!:rockon:

 

It's not the size of the Horse Powers that's important its how you use it and what you need them for.... :tongue:

 

Agreed i love the bike, many of my frieds ride cbr 600 and gsxr 600's....on the track i'm sue they would wax me but in the real world i keep up just fine.

But lets see them do a road trip from Calgary to Sturgis packing all your own gear...

The bike is fun, and to me thats all that matters...there is nothing i would rather be on.

Also yes for balls the cbr 1000 RR will have more than a vfr800.
but that one is a super sport the other a touring bike. both awsome bikes in there class.

 

Aye, I prrrrrronounce the word as Sean Connery might do. TEATS!! TEATS!!! Arrrrrr!

This thread is a hoot. Some guys telling me what to think about my bike. Whatta bunch of tools. Let me trot my biking resume out here to convince you that my opinion is better than yours. Another guy who confuses a sport-tourer with a superbike. Stats that don't matter in the REAL world of street riding. Subjective impressions, personal opinions, blah blah blah.

 

Flysurgeon: So, what was the hit (depreciation) on the VFR when you traded it back in? What is the insurance difference? All of us understand the exciting power in the CBR and I know I'd love to have one too as a second bike. I bet some of us wonder if we'd get into trouble with that amazing power. Any thoughts on controlling that beast? How is the comfort factor?

 

Nungboy--I traded the VFR straight up for the CBR1000RR. Not sure what the list prices are, just had to pay freight. Then again--I have bought 9-10 bikes from the same dudes, so they cut me some breaks every now and then. I figure it cost me about $600, but that was worth it for having the VFR for 3 weeks and putting a couple of hundred miles on it. I guess I am just talking a little trash in here for fun!! Isn't that what bike dudes are supposed to do?!?! Don't get me wrong-the VFR is a great all around bike and I have to admit--It is probably the BEST LOOKING bike I have ever seen. Anybody who owns one should be very proud. I just got a major adrenaline fix when I took out the new CBR1000 with 178 horses-It blew the freakin' doors off the CBR600. The CBR1000 has 178 horses and weights the same as the 600. You do the math. After that, the VFR just seemed a bit less "punchy." If they increase the bike to 1000cc and get rid of the V-tech, it would be just about perfect.

Your points are well made. I too am concerned about the power--I am just going to be very careful and know my limits, and probably take a racing course or two. Not too worried about the difference in insurance. Neither one is as bad as my 2 teenaged driver kids.

Keep on rockin', guys and gals. As for me, I had a real nice 3 weeks with the Interceptor, but I think I'm off to the Fireblade forum for a while. I'll still check in with my VTX bros as I am still a VTX'er as well.

Be cool, Y'all.

Flysurgeon---OUT.