Linked Brakes

Discussion in 'General VFR Discussions' started by R.W., Mar 19, 2008.

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  1. Love the Linked Brake

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  2. Hate the Linked Brakes

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  1. John451

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    I'm in agreeance, after spending 10's of thousands Km's on both found my non ABS non panniered Gen 6 feels similar in weight and handles slightly better out of the box than the Gen 5 due to its stiffer frame and forks but look out for MD wheeling out some mags dubious wet weight figures next. :tongue:
     


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    I haven't driven a VFR with linked brakes but did own a BMW R1200GS with partially linked brakes and grew to like them. Now that I am on a bike without I can tell a difference. One thing I notice is that when going into a corner hard the linked brakes made the bike "squat" evenly as opposed to nose dive to some degree. I think they can save you sometimes if driving too fast on an unknown road.
     


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    We can move on to rider weight at that point. And maybe the Gen 6 brakes being less linked. That'd be daft though, they're both great bikes. :smile:
     


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  4. mello dude

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    Well - do I have too? LOL Cmon we know about the Sport Rider data...:smile:

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    Is that the one where they weigh a 5th gen and say it's a lot lighter than a 6th gen with luggage fitted? :smile:
    Link?
     


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    Ok - I'll bite.. http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_weights_measurements/index.html

    It has a '98 5th gen, an '02 sans bags, and '05 with bags. You figure it out. :yield: They roll it onto a scale and read the number - not made up outta the blue.

    Then somebody always jumps in and says - Honda specs say X. My comment in advance of that is the weight specs on any manufactures bikes are laughable and never even close to reality.

    BTW - the magazine and the website are very good for anything related to sport motorcycling. Highly recommended. Check it out.

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    from what I've read,

    most of the people who "hate them" have never ridden with them :rolleyes:



    I, for one, love em
    it would probably be different if I was tracking my bike regularly
    but it's amazing how fast I can stop this pig (800lbs loaded)
     


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    the biggest downfall to the LBS/ABS I see is when I go to ride another bike,
    I have to remember it's not gonna stop as fast
     


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  9. mello dude

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    Believe me Kraut - if I liked them I would keep them. I have seat time on both 5th gens and 6th gens.

    I'm probably a bit of anomoly - I engineered brakes for cars for a bunch of years and the fun part of the job was to be able to set up a vehicle with test gear and go pound the crap outta it. I was able to develop very good braking skills over time and it transfered over to my riding as well. I know on dry pavement I can out brake ABS/LBS every time, car or bike.

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    Moved to its own thread " The definitive Gen 5 Vs Gen 6 weight Thread "
     
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    Linked Braked Gen 5 outbrakes the Super Sports bikes of its time.

    While trying to locate VFR stopping distances found these .pdf links from US Motorcycle site " mcnews.com " which interestingly shows the VFR800Fi at 107.9ft has a shorter 60-0 stopping distance than the 'Blades 113.8fr, R1's 113.9ft and Gixers 114.4ft of its time, admit this is not the same as repeated braking as on a track but interesting in the context of a single on road emergency stop at Hwy speeds. :cool:

    Check out the Testers comments re the VFR's linked brakes Specifications Data .PDF's links below:
    http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/TestBike-Index1-2001.pdf
    http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/TestBike-Index2-2001.pdf
     


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    Mello Dude...I like your conclusions and you are an anomaly...most of us have not the skills nor engineering backround that you have on a bike (or a car) when it comes to brakes. The analogy I used in the past was that a great guitarist can take a piece of crap guitar and sound way better than I can on a $5000 guitar. But, BOTH of us WILL sound better on the expensive guitar. When I ride my bike, only I am controlling the brakes...not a test rider, not a professional, not a new rider. Just me. We all choose what tool is best for each of us. I chose the 2007 Honda VFR for many reasons but some of the strongest reasons were the ABS/LBS. Powerslave said it well...life is not a clean, dry racetrack with a big area to save your sensitive bits when running wide. Life is where you are at any given time, and that "track" is in crappy shape!
     


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    OK - gotta give it - yeah for the current VFR average rider - the linked brakes are gonna be fine. (Jeez, I'm putting on my corporate engineer hat.) Probably the way to go for the generally newbie 6th gen riders that is going on to today.

    There will always be the longtime hardcore VFR affectionado (me) who will despise the linked setup - because it takes control away from the rider. I'm in the more of "Hey I know what I'm doing and I wanna be able to brake it my way whatever the situation demands".

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    Damn - you caught me! :biggrin: You know those Dunlops are getting expensive! - Really I would hate to have to clean that guys rear wheel ! His rear pads are probably toast.

    - I did that with the Valkyrie once, that was enuff. :rolleyes:

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    Ok - I'm quoting myself but for a reason. I hope over time you newer type riders over time challenge yourself to be more skilled. And over time get an understanding of where a front brake only or a rear brake only apply would be of benefit, or even maybe squeezing on more front than rear and vice versa. Riding a bike is not much different that learning to pilot an airplane. The more you understand and skilled you are, the better chance you have to stay alive.

    Keep the rubber side down,
    MD
     
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    I didn't vote, there have been times I've liked them and times I've hated them.
    Starting from a stop sign pointing uphill is annoying vs unlinked.
    I think unlinked offers much better control riding on a track.
    There have been many times in traffic where an OMG situation where it probably helped me out. I didn't have time to hit the other brake.
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    If given the choice I would have purchase a VFR without linked brakes though.
     


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    Holy Old Thread, Batman!
    I feel so nostalgic for the old days of linked brakes.
     


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    ^^^^Agree with this^^^^^
     


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