How many of you would buy a VFR 1000

In the aircraft application, is it used a frame member where there may be torsional (twisting) loads in the same way as there might be in a motorcycle?

I'm only asking because I'm a bicyclist as well, and know that a Ti framed bicycle frame of exactly the same tubing and geometry dimensions as a steel one will not be as stiff. It will be more comfortable to ride as it flexes more, and of course, lighter, but it can be "noodly" as well. This was some of the criticisms of the first Ti mtn bikes, like the Merlin.

I would think that you could design a piece of Ti to have the same stiffness, but that might require a different shape to the piece, much in the way that corrugating sheet steel provides more torsional stiffness.

 

Yes, if the VFR lost it's comfy ride ability, leg room, and handlebar position, it would NOT meet my needs. I hate to say it, but I'd be looking at a Sprint ST or Ducati ST4. I need my Viffer to be comfortable enough for all day riding with a passenger and/or luggage. Honda could put performance stuff on it like radial brakes (unlinked, please), gear driven cams (I like the sound and reliability, and less expensive service costs), and make it bigger in terms of displacement, but I don't want it to become a more "race replica" oriented bike...that's what my CBRs are for. And it would be great if it had adjustable suspension and a remote reservoir shock.

But it's got to keep it's "best all-rounder" capability and gentlemen's express attributes and sensibility.

 

Does VTEC preclude the use of gear driven cams?

 

Good Question. shouldn't as it's a valve thing going on with Vtec, but one wonders just hows much shenanigans a manufacture would put forth to this.

Ooo gear drive and Vtec, there ya go..

 

Yeah, that's what I'm wishing for in the "V5 Engine" thread but I'm not sure if it is possible.

 

Why would they make a VFR 1000 if it is going to be more of a sports bike i.e. those mock up photos floating around, when they already have the cbr1000?

They would be competing with same category, doesn't make sense to me, doesn't the market need a inbetween bike like the 800??

If you want a sports bike buy a blade? if you want a tourer by an st? if you want both buy the vfr:smile:

 

Don't know if I'd buy an 1000cc VFR, but make it a nekkid bike with a single-sided swingarm and keep the weight right at 500lbs wet and I'm the first in line.

 

truth be told, im actually disappointed that honda hasnt done anything more with their V4 designs in the last decade. dont get me wrong, i absolutely love what theyve done with it thus far (the FI v4's are just awesome), but a V4 literbike (something to contend with the 1000RR, R1, ZX10, and GSX1000R) would make me question my decision on an RC51 for a balls out toy, and better yet, since the blackbird was discontinued, i REALLY wish honda would replace it with a V4 hyperbike and retake the glory that the hayabusa stole from honda's blackbird so long ago (imagine it guys, a 1200+ cc V4 on a hyperbike frame!) id never need another bike as long as i lived.

go ahead and let honda make a literbike or a hyperbike with the V4 pushing that back wheel. I'll be the first in line to buy one.

 

I'd be interested in an electric hybrid VFR400 or 500 with wheels, fairings, engine, transmission all designed to maximize fuel economy. :biggrin:

 

New Vfr

My Problem With The Current Vfr Is Not Hp Or Dispacement, It's With V-tech, Linked Brakes, And Taking Away The Gear Driven Cams.
My 06 Is My Third Vfr And My Least Favorite. I Can Kick My Self For Selling My 97. Which In My Opinion Was The Last Vfr "sport Bike" Honda Produced. I Hope Honda Looks At This Site.
-jsb

 

Thank you, nough said, plain and simple and to the point.

On the mention of why they'd make one. Well IMO the CBR1000 is so high tech there'd be very little if any crossing of the two as in how they would be used. it's not even close to being in the same market niche as a VFR, so to make it a bit more sporty wouldn't get in the way of sales of anyone wanting what the CBR1000 has. IMO the new 08 1000 is plain and simple a street legal race bike, Nice, but no way in the same league the VFR is in and I believe there is room to move a VFR into the more sport category now. Then there's this naked SSSA cbr 1000, Hmm now that one might get in the way. but as I see it, thats an overseas model anyway.

 

To answer the original question ...

Probably not ... I have a 2000 model g5.

The 800cc is fine for me, but what I would like to see is a (much) lighter bike. Honda can start with the wheels and other 'low hanging fruit'. Lose weight and gain hp! For the VFR, they should take a lesson from Colin Chapman and 'add lightness'. :biggrin:

Another phrase I cannot resist: "Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."

 

While we are at it, I want to have several million dollars at my disposal at all times, but I need someone to simply bequeath this to me as my own ideas of how to get this much moola don't seem to be working.

Oh yeah, don't worry about increasing the bike's displacement, just make it lighter.

And if you do bring back the gear-driven cams, please put them back in the centre of the engine where they belong.

Thank you.

 

yes it could be exactly the same but with 1000cc sign me up..............

 

If something happened to my '98 VFR, I would get another ('98), unless there was a new 1000cc that has lost some weight. That would be tempting.

 

Back to the original question, pretty sure I would that's if I don't buy something else first before Honda brings this to market.

 

Reworked VFR1000

Yup, this absolutely needs to happen. The last 1000 was such a turkey that Honda pulled it from production and forgot about it. But, it's 20 years on now and improved manufacturing processes can wedge more compact and powerful engines into tighter spaces. It is much easier today to keep all of the virtues of the 800 while ratcheting up the oomph factor, than it was back in the day of the original VFR1000.

Besides, that may be the only way I have a prayer of staying in the shadow of my buddy's ZX-14 exhaust. :wink:

~ d ~

'86 VFR750 Cap'n America

Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death. ~Hunter Thompson

 

I would like a VFR 1100 since there is no racing intent given the CBR100RR. I would like Gear driven cams because they sound better (IMO) they require no problematic cam chain adjuster and can timing is more accurate. I would drop v-tech to make valve clearance easier to adjust but would keep linked brakes and a single sided swing arm. Keep the weight around 475 dry and keep the VFR ergonomics. Upgrade the suspension but don’t go too stiff (by a CBR for that), finally don’t make it a Busa or ZX14 type bike an do not do anything stupid like shaft drive. JIM

One more thing I would not sell my '94 to buy one; I would just buy one outright.