Unbolting Engine

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  1. aawhite

    aawhite New Member

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    I'm unbolting my engine from the frame and ran into a lock nut, does anyone know where I can get the tool to get it off?
     


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    I think some guys are grinding large sockets down to have "teeth" that will undo these nuts.

    Try a search.
     


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    There are different kinds of what could be called a "locknut." Some are simply two nuts tightened against each other, which you just need a wrench on each nut turning the opposite way to break it free. Another kind is just a nut with a nylon nut locker, which may seems tighter when you remove it because of the nylon threads at the end of it to hold it shug, but it will come right off with a wrench. Another kind has flanged serrations which when tightened leaves material on the mating surface to resist tightening. This can just be cranked off with a wrench as well. Pretty much any kind of lock nut should not be that hard to remove unless it has corroded itself onto the threads or it has loctite (specifically red loctite) holding it on. Then you may have to try using a little heat with a propane torch. Do be careful not to apply too much heat and melt/damage the nut or threads. If it is corroded, a penetrating lubricant should be applied and let it sit for a least a day.

    My mind is drawing a blank right now on other kinds of lock nuts. Unless you are referring to a locking nut which needs a certain type of wrench or socket to remove it...kinda like a locking lug nut if you will.
     


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    Those nuts are typically called castle nuts.

    Here's a pic of a socket ground down to fit a castle nut:
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    You can grind a slight taper to the "teeth" so it will grab the nut better.
     


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    The above is a specialty socket for removing nuts that your average customer would not typically remove. honda refers to this nut as an "Adjusting Bolt Lock Nut" in the service manual. Your other option for removing this nut is a drift and a hammer, but the possibility of mangling the nut are pretty high. It should be torqued to 40 ft/lb.

    This is a castle nut:
    [​IMG]

    The slots are for cotter pins.
     


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    Also, check out section 7-4 in the 90-97 VFR shop manual (on here somewhere in pdf format). I think the answers you seek are in there.
     


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    Why would a castle bolts (these look like the type that you use a cotter pin to lock on your axle bolt) need a special tool? It is a 6 point bolt. Why can't a regular 6 point wrench be used? Am I missing something here?
     


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    From my experience. A castle nut is still 6 sided, like a normal nut. You can still use a socket on it, you don't need a special tool. The tabs are for a cotter pin, that way the nut can not back off and become loose. I've never come across one on a motorcycle. But I've been working on cars for many years, and they use those nuts quite often, mainly on the steering linkage. So, you should be able to use a socket or wrench, just make sure you remove the cotter pin first.
     


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    It's a spanner nut.

    It's a spanner nut and the tool from honda is cheap and the part # is in the manual. Your local dealer may even have one. Or fab a socket like you've seen in the other posts.
     


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    That is just what I was saying. Castle nuts were on both of my old bikes (FZR) for securing the rear axle bolt and still is used on many bikes. I just pulled out the cotter pin and used a socket, or wrench. Easy cheesy. I am wondering what the locknut that aawhite is referring to looks like. Must be different that what we are thinking of.
     


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    On the older V65 Magnas/Sabres there is a recessed castlenut on the clutch hub. Only way to get it out is to use the special tool or a fabbed socket.
     


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    Ill get a picture of the nut im talking about
     


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    There are spanner nuts used where the engine bolts to the frame. Their purpose is to help to keep a preload between the engine and frame. That engine doesn't just set up in there loosely. It needs to be squeezed slightly by the frame. Or more correctly the frame needs to be stretched around the engine. Since not all framesets and engine cases are identical the preload needs to be adjustable. The spanner nuts is how it's accomplished.
     


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