Pretty Sad State of Affairs ...

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  1. SCraig

    SCraig New Member

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    I got a keyring today from Honda, and there was a sticker on the package:

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    It's not so much what the note says but the fact that Honda felt it necessary to put it on there at all. The fact that they assume no liability for any scratches caused by a keyring tells me that some dim bulb has tried to hold them responsible for that. It's a pretty sad state when it gets to the point that people are trying to hold a manufacturer responsible for scratches caused by a damn keyring.
     


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    it's like the desicant bags in stereo boxes. (some dummy thought they were chicklets and eat them) they've got to save you from yourself.
     


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    Its called " common sense" and the teens /young adults these days just dont seem to comprehend that you can get burnt by fire ...

    That is what we need to come up with a common sense test that you have to pass to get your highschool and/or college diploma.. I say about 40% would fail it on the first try..LOL.

    Stupid lawsuits clog up the court system all the time..
     


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    That's a pretty good idea. Throw a situation like this keyring out, and if your first instinct is to sue the manufacturer then you fail!!

    People not accepting responsibility for their own actions has been a thorn in my side for years. I honestly don't know what happened, years ago people didn't try to sue someone for the tiniest thing, but God help you today!

    On another forum a guy bought a V-Strom for his first bike. He lives in Florida and has to ride through sand to get in his driveway. First day with the bike he dumps it (sand, new rider, duh!). His first instinct, and his first post on the V-Strom forum, was that he was considering a suit against Suzuki since they billed the motorcycle as being a "Dual Sport" which should be able to get through sand easily. At least a dozen people told him that in capable and experienced hands they go through sand quite well, especially with aftermarket tires, but that wasn't what he wanted to hear. I don't know what happened, he left after that, but it's just another example from the same old book. He dumped the bike and wanted to blame someone else.

    Pretty sad state of affairs ....
     


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    How about the "caution, the beverage you are about to enjoy is very hot" Its amazing what idiots will do to get money and its not just their fault.... its the lawyers that actually think its a worthwhile case!!! They bring on the law suits then wonder why everything is so expensive!!!
     


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    I agree completely. It's completely absurd that people can burn themselves with hot coffee and then sue the people that brewed it. Or as OSS said, eat dessicant with all the "Do Not Eat" warnings. And get away with it! Something is very, very wrong here.

    I blame the lawyers for taking these absurd cases and the judges for letting them get away with it. If the judges would start throwing these cases out of court the lawyers would stop wasting everyone's time. It is completely ridiculous that people can get away with some of this nonsense.
     


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    The whole world changed when that stupid woman and her shady lawyer from the law offices of Dewey, Cheetam and Howe, sued McDonalds, when she burned her...well...self :eyebrows: :whistle: , with a cup of coffee that SHE spilled.
     


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    On the subject of the key ring thing, I worked at a Honda bike shop for seven years, and I was amazed at the number of people that would put one of these hard plastic Honda key chains on their motorcycle! The top triple clamps on these bikes were wasted from their Plastic Honda key chain bouncing up and down when the bike was at 6,000 RPM. I stick to just a key with no key ring, but I guess I am a little more particular with my bikes.
     


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    Amazing what a piece of plastic can do to a piece of steel, ain't it :rolleyes: I would really love to hear the true story behind that warning sticker, but I guess we'll never know for sure.

    Yeah, it's a crying shame she didn't burn something that would have kept her trap shut.
     


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    Don't forget...in most cases when there is a jury in place that's where you will find some really dumb illogical people :frusty:

    Personally I think our jury system sucks big time. (Don't get me started :madgrin: )
     


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    You know in general I agree, but I have delved into law and ethics a bit more and found out some interesting things about the McLawsuit back in 1994. Before anyone perpetuates the whole crazy lawsuit idea about that case, they should, at a minimum, read this... http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

    If that doesn't change your mind, go down to a burn unit and see what whirlpool treatments entail. I have suffered from 2nd degree burns, and I can only imagine 3rd degree and to the groin no less...
     


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    This nation needs serious tort reform- something that has been attempted for the past 25 years.

    The main issue is that a significant number of the lawmakers are TRIAL LAWYERS and as long as this is the case, we will never get it.

    These people won't ever fix the laws that will keep them in business when they leave political office!

    Self responsibility? Our society has degraded to a point where those of us who believe in that are a distinct minority.

    Sorry reg71, but your link is to a propaganda piece of double-talk written by a trial lawyer's association! What did you expect them to say?
     


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    It's the lawyers and the court system. I have taken a few law classes in my on going education, and our system is set up for failure. In the U.S. you can bring on a law suit against anyone you see fit, as long as it meets the requirements for a just case. If you lose, you owe nothing to the lawyer, however if you win the lawyer gets 30% of the reward. It's a win-win situation for the plaintiff. Here in Germany where I'm currently stationed they have different laws, plus alot more common sense. The society here isn't about making a quick buck. If you bring on a law suit here, you better have your stuff straight because if you lose, you're paying your lawyer fees, the court costs, and the defendants fees. You stand to lose alot here if you lose, so people don't sue alot. Believe it or not from what my professor said 98% of law suits are settled out of court. No one really wants to go to court as it's unpredictable, it's easier to bring a big threat, and hope for a nice out of court settlement. We have really dumbed down America, and the proof is in stickers like in the picture above.
     


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    Imagine ladders that had a STOP sign at the top lol, or is that an old irish joke?
     


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    I'm not saying it didn't hurt, but SHE spilled it. Once the coffee (or whatever) is in your hand, it's YOUR responsibility!! Too many people try to blame THEIR mistakes on others! Coffee is hot, Knives are sharp, Parking lots become slick when it snows. That's just the way it is. :smash:
     


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    Its not just that she was successfull but the amount she won US$3 million. It made the Lottery look poor odds when it came to making lots and lots of free money.

    Mind can't pass judgement when we have a Lesbian couple currently sueing an IVF obstetrician because they ordered one child from the procedure and they ended with perfectly healthy twins ?????

    SMH story:
    http://tinyurl.com/yrqgxo
     


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    I got a mini go-cart for my son. To get the warranty from the California based company, I have to sign a legal paper stating that I can only use arbitration in a lawsuit!!!!!

    Yup, it's gone nutz.
     


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    In this case, I really don't think so. I realize we have serious tort reform issues, but I think this case was justified. Have you ever undergone reconstructive surgery for burns? And, my friend who was studying law said they investigated the details of the case in a class and it was a pretty bad deal all they way around. Supposedly she even asked them to not make it so hot. Granted, this part is hearsay, but I believe if you look at the following articles, you have to agree there is more to this case than is usually printed.

    McDonald's Callousness Was Real Issue, Jurors Say, In Case of Burned Woman by Andrea Gerlin
    Staff Reporter
    September 1, 1994
    The Wall Street Journal
    (© 1994, Dow Jones & Co., Inc.



    http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0122-11.htm
    http://www.therationalradical.com/2005/01/mcdonalds-hot-coffee-lawsuit-facts.html
    http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art27489.asp

    These are just a few. In fact, none of the top ten articles the came up on google agree with the common belief. In fact, most seem to point to the common belief being from propaganda. I did find one here that supported the other side : http://www.overlawyered.com/2005/10/urban_legends_and_stella_liebe.html Actually the more I read about it, the more entangled it becomes. It has obviously reached the status of urban legend as you can read on snopes.com. Since we are on a subject of what's messed up about this system, I'll throw in one of my pet peeves, the damned lobbyists! :) They are ruining the government! Oh well, what can we do. We find who we think is the most honest, vote for them and then hope they have the fortitude to stand by what's right...
     


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    Reg, in this case, that should never have gone to trial, you are outgunned here by wild-eyed VFR riders, logic and just old fashioned common sense.

    I have to agree with Eddie that it was SHE that did the stupid thing with hot coffee.

    John, the final amount she won was $480,000. The fact that she won anything is ludicrous!

    Reg, there are still some folks who think that O.J., Robert Blake, Scott Peterson, Gary Condit, ad nauseam, are still on a crusade to find the "real" killers in their cases.

    We don't need tort reform....we just need to dump the jury system and go with 3 investigative judges like many other countries already have.:usa2:

    When I become King I will do that, then line up all the defense lawyers (the ones with pony tails) against the wall, next to Honda's electrical engineers that designed the Regulator/Harness fiasco and shoot them......at least with paint balls. :biggrin:
     


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    By getting this thread marginally off topic you guys have caused me serious mental anguish. I cannot think properly, I cannot do my job, I cannot relax. I think I need to find a lawyer who will listen to me and see if we can't settle this in court for a few gigabucks! :tongue:
     


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