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  1. Bubba Utah

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    So, I posted I am burning oil without obvious smoke out the pipe. Some have said it may be a ring hung up after the overheat, loss of power and boil out. The bike runs fine but I do think that I smell a stronger exhaust than a bike with 7500 miles should. So I used sea foam in the tank and in the oil. I am about to change the oil after 200 miles in the oil. I have full synthetic, but am asking if I should go to a blend or conventional from now on. I hope that the usage is less after the treatments. I am adding 1/8-1/4 Quart every 800 miles. Please chime in. Thanks to all.
     
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    If you are burning it at that rate, why waste your money on synthetic oil - it's not going to be in there long enough to make a difference. Standard 10/40 motorcycle oil.
     
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    I am big fan of pure synthetics, if you adding 1 qt every 3200 miles, the few $ difference will be small, much rather have the benefits of the synthetics for in the long run. With the gradual replenishment, you can extend the miles inbetween total changes! Thus offsetting the costs.
     
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    Still no compression test ?
     
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    Google "stuck oil control rings", you see a lot of fixes. Basically removing plugs, pouring Seafoam or some other chemical into cylinders and let set for a couple days. Hopefully you have a place to work on bike and leave it.
     
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    Why should oil usage be less after the Seafoam treatment? Until you find out what the actual problem, if there
    is one, then you're just working blind. You're doing what a shop would do: throw money at it and hope you hit
    the problem.

    If you want to find out why your oil usage is high, you need to work toward a solution logically and methodically.
     
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    Thanks Fj12ryder, I thought that was what I was exactly doing. I measured the amount of loss over 1700 miles. I found the same amount being used. Some suggested like Allyance that it may be a stuck oil control ring. I spent $13 on some seafoam and put it in twice up top and down below in the oil. I am going to change the oil and see if anything changes before a do a flow test or a compression test that I will have to be done for me at a high cost.

    I took it to my local shop even and got the cost of the tests ,but asked the tech to come out and visual inspect the exhaust coming out as well as asking them if the exhaust odor smelled odd like I was burning something without smoke. They asked the amount of oil lost and intervals and they said that the bike could burn some but not an alarming incident and even suggested that I forgo any other expensive testing. But they are willing to if I choose.

    So I am trying a $13 band-aid to see if it heals. If not I make the decision to spend more money. The bike runs fine, but I am pissed that a bullet proof newer bike with low miles is doing this. More so that the thermostat failed and at myself for not looking at the temp gauge but why should I with 5,000 or so miles and being a Honda. I have never had so much trouble with a bike from either Kawasaki or Suzuki in my 30+ years riding.

    I do appreciate everyone's input. Thank you
     
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    I don’t think FJ12 was having a go at you, I think that he is referring to the fact that you need to find out where it is going.
    I do agree with him that using seafoam or the like is a total waste of time.
    A compression test is easy to do and will tell you what is happening.
    I doubt you would have a stuck ring at your kilometers. Overheating will expand the piston and rings and can score the bore and this would be my concern.
    It shouldn’t be very expensive at all to test, or you could just buy one and do it yourself, they are cheap.
     
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    Sorry if I sounded like I was coming down on you, not at all. I keep forgetting that not everyone has the necessary
    equipment to do these things. I can certainly understand not wanting to spend a fair chunk o'change. Having to
    add a quart or less between oil changes isn't the worst usage I've ever heard of, but I can certainly see wanting to
    get it fixed if possible, but not wanting to spend a large amount of money to do so.

    Like you say, it runs fine and doesn't smoke. If you discover the problem is a scored bore or burnt valves then the
    problem escalates to huge money. I can understand your dilemma. Keep us updated on your results.

    And yes, I would be pissed too at the oil usage from what should be a bulletproof engine.
     
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    You can get very cheap remote cameras that you put into the spark plug holes to look inside the heads...
     
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    Endoscopes even, look on eBay

    Once you have one you'll wonder how you did without it
     
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    i didn't want Bubba to think he was talking to a load of proctologist's....
     
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    seeing cylinder walls is Ok, but compression tells a better story.
     
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    It IS normal consumption IF the dang thang's been overheated !
     
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    Thanks everyone! As always I do appreciate the comments and advice. I love this group. I will be changing the oil on Monday (if I can find that great tutorial on how to again and keep the beer in the fridge!;-)) . I guess the gist of it is that it did overheat and boil out. The bike was just 8 months out of warranty at the time. I have to come to the realization that the engine has some damage because of it. This is my first true Honda motorcycle bought new and my last (I had a Honda 125cc scooter in high school and then went to a Kawasaki Gpz afterwards) . I do not have the money or the intent of having an engine breakdown to repair it. I have the misfortune of owning a great bike that a $8 part failed and realized it to late to forgo damage. The power loss was maybe 4 secs before I pulled over and found out what was wrong. I will own her until I pay her off and then some and then look for another bike. Good news is that will not be for another 3-4 yrs so I will keep posting stupid shit and try to hook up with some of you riding as long as the lady holds up. Have a great night.

    P.S. Maybe she is now like her owner. (Looks great, Is cool as shit, Is louder than most, but due to some damage may consume a bit to much at times!;-))
     
  17. Bubba Utah

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    One other question! Honda being know for its reliability in both motorcycles and cars. Why do they only warranty a MSRP $13,000 vehicle (bike) for only a year and the cars have a 3 yr warranty. Crap they started with bikes. Do they have more control on parts for cars than motorcycles? Just another question. ;-)
     
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    I have a V6 Accord that burns oil. There was a lawsuit and they settled by giving an 8 year extended warranty.
    The fix was first to reprogram the ECU, change spark plugs, and if all else fails replace piston rings.
    It was a design problem, Honda is not perfect by any means.
    Of course I learn all this after I have the car a while and after the extended warranty is over. :Frusty:
     
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    Are you sure you are not over-filling it? Do you check the oil warm, on the centerstand, on a level surface?
     
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    Why can't Honda offer what Kia offers for their cars?????

    "The Kia 10-year/100,000 mile warranty program* consists of:
    • 10-year/100,000 mile limited powertrain warranty.
    • 5-year/60,000 mile limited basic warranty.
    • 5-year/100,000 mile limited anti-perforation warranty.
    • 5-year/60,000 mile roadside assistance plan."
     
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